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Old 09-06-2012, 04:10 PM   #61
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Thank you, Tuono and Train....

OP, if you are of the build, I'd get the GSA for sure, that is unless you really didn't have a need for the added bits or increased ride height. They both are fantastic motorcycles, both with their own selling points, but it really only matters what it is that you want out of one or which fits your actual riding needs/wants, best. I must say, it is refreshing to see owners caution you as to the GSA's added size and heft, they seem to be discounted more times than not around here.

I say ride each and see which of the two sings to you.

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Old 09-06-2012, 05:16 PM   #62
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It's funny, I was thinking exactly that as I was blasting down a beat-up road on my ride home from work. That long-travel suspension pays dividends on busted up roads.
+2 on that. The suspension travel is what gives that boost in confidence for me. I have yet to upset the GSA to the point where I've been uncomfortable while pushing it due to rough roads. The Tuono used to hit some rough patches that would still overwhelm its suspension (which was dialed in for me and full Ohlins to boot).

Your size and build might matter too...well, more your weight I guess. I'm 185 on my best Sunday morning and the stock ESA suspenders are great. For good sport riding, I like "1 rider w/ luggage"....that's when I'm running empty panniers or no panniers. I find the handling and ability to hold a line spot-on.

The motor just sings, too. Such bliss running it up to 7-8k....just winding it out on the back roads and general hooligan behavior on this thing is great fun.
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:27 PM   #63
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Enough oomph to make the ride interesting, not enough to get into felony speeds.

The Harley guys I ride with are all amazed at how much the rear wheel can jump around without moving the bike at all.
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:30 PM   #64
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I wouldn't say the best handling bike I've ever owned but it does just fine. It is terribly fun to mess with guys on sportbikes though.
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It does well, but it's no sportbike. It does surprisingly well for a big, heavy, low-powered bike.

But let me race my clone across the Cherohala Skyway; me on a 600cc sportbike and him on my GS/A, and I'll be at the end of the road, helmet off, and halfway through my Gatorade before he got there on the GS/A.


The GS bikes are a helluva lot of fun, but let's not go overboard overstating its capabilities.
I would qualify my earlier comment regarding GSA handling by saying its the best handling bike on a broad variety of surfaces like you would find in Mexico. It is especially stable when you hit bumps in the middle of corners and it can handle poor road surfaces very well.
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:23 PM   #65
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I only wanted to add one thing to what I posted earlier.

If I were not getting ESA, I would very likely buy a Yamaha Super Tenere instead. In fact, that was my decision process when I bought my GS a couple of months ago.

I love the ESA. It works and I use it pretty much every time I ride.

Without ESA, TO ME, the GS/A does not bring nearly enough to the table to justify the higher price compared to a SuperT. The GS is a great bike, but the SuperT is also a great bike. And it has much longer service intervals and much cheaper parts. Aftermarket luggage is just as good for either. The SuperT just needs a better windscreen and good luggage and it's just as good to go as any GS/A (non-ESA). The stock GS windscreen is okay, but the stock GS/A seat is a much bigger travesty than the stock SuperT windscreen, so you can't really say either one is "good to go" out of the box.

Anyway, all I'm saying is, if you're looking at a GS/A without ESA, you should at least have a look at the SuperT, too, before you plunk down your hard-earned.
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:22 PM   #66
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I would qualify my earlier comment regarding GSA handling by saying its the best handling bike on a broad variety of surfaces like you would find in Mexico. It is especially stable when you hit bumps in the middle of corners and it can handle poor road surfaces very well.
I'd second this. Winter plays hell with our roads here in Vermont. Many times I've had sportbikes try to stay with me in the twisties, but when the pavement turns rough they back way off while I keep rockin'.

Love the GS/GSA for the conditions I ride in!
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Old 09-09-2012, 05:52 AM   #67
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GS vs GSA

I'm pondering this question myself at the moment.

I've owned an 07 GSA and now the F800 but am feeling myself lured towards a R1200GS (Triple Black).

One thing I'm trying to find out is if the GS can have the BMW GSA panniers fitted. My dealer said it could but I don't ever recall seeing one.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:07 AM   #68
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GS vs GSA

I'm pondering this question myself at the moment.

I've owned an 07 GSA and now the F800 but am feeling myself lured towards a R1200GS (Triple Black).

One thing I'm trying to find out is if the GS can have the BMW GSA panniers fitted. My dealer said it could but I don't ever recall seeing one.
All that is required to fit the GSA panniers on a GS is the GSA luggage rack. That rack will not accommodate the GS panniers though.
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:36 PM   #69
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My 2008 R1200GS with lowered WESA shocks (2 1/2 inches) is way more nimble and "flickable" than my brand new R1200GSA with factory ESA- by a lot! I'm not saying the GSA isn't great- it is. All I am saying is the same thing that some German magazine reported when testing the lowered WESA . They reported that the lowered bike handled more like a sport bike. "Intuitive" and "Easy" come to mind when describing the difference between the two bikes. I will definitely lower the GSA when the time comes but probably only 1.6 inches. And by the way, I LOVE the new GSA. I think it's the best bike made IMHO. It really is just incredible in so many different aspects. It's why I had to buy one before they stopped making them.
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Old 09-14-2012, 05:36 AM   #70
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All that is required to fit the GSA panniers on a GS is the GSA luggage rack. That rack will not accommodate the GS panniers though.
Sweet this is the answer I have have been looking for, thx!

How about the GSA top case on a GS?


The access from the Top and large enough for a helmet is a requirement for me. Plus I like the looks of the aluminum.
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Sweet this is the answer I have have been looking for, thx!

How about the GSA top case on a GS?


The access from the Top and large enough for a helmet is a requirement for me. Plus I like the looks of the aluminum.

My medium Shoei Qwest fits in the BMW Adv. aluminum topcase...a bit snug and in diagonally, but it goes in with clearance on each side. I wouldn't ride with one in there as it would probably scuff the helmet up or something....but to lock it in there while away from the bike or something, its perfect.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:11 AM   #72
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Wade-O ,GSA all the way,especially if you are 6,4'...
-bigger tank
-better windprotection
-more legroom
-more ground-clearance which is good on/off road
-better handling due to steeper steering angle
-better/more comfortable stock seat
-stock crashbars/valvecover protectors
-stock mounting for aluminum cases
-shorter first gear
All that for a little harder push to park it in the garage...
Best bike I ever owned !
I would not get ESA but Ohlins TTX...much better !
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Old 09-16-2012, 04:37 PM   #73
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GSA Rack and Panniers on GS

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GS vs GSA

I'm pondering this question myself at the moment.

I've owned an 07 GSA and now the F800 but am feeling myself lured towards a R1200GS (Triple Black).

One thing I'm trying to find out is if the GS can have the BMW GSA panniers fitted. My dealer said it could but I don't ever recall seeing one.
I had the BMW GSA Rack andPanniers mounted on Caf'e Poser when I purchased it. So Yes, BMW dealers can do it or you could do it yourself. I am very glad I did.





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Old 09-16-2012, 04:45 PM   #74
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Sweet this is the answer I have have been looking for, thx!

How about the GSA top case on a GS?


The access from the Top and large enough for a helmet is a requirement for me. Plus I like the looks of the aluminum.
The GSA top box requires the GSA rear luggage rack, which is over $300 with all the little hardware bits. It's probably the most sought after used part for these bikes.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:30 AM   #75
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The GS and GSA: essentially the same bike with differing missions. Each equipped, adjusted and tuned by its mother, BMW, to meet one's unique riding needs and objectives. That's the beauty of the differing missions. This thread could (happily) go on forever as each of us has our own unique sense of need and objective.

By the way, I have the GSA boxes on my GS and love them.
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