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Old 09-28-2012, 01:32 PM   #31
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The stock frame only weighs 23lbs...

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It gonna be difficult peeling the other 400lbs off to feel that stock frame's "agility".
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:58 PM   #32
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The stock frame only weighs 23lbs...



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Ti weighs 2/3rds...
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:00 PM   #33
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light battery

If you do want to go lighter battery, I would suggest you try Antigravity batteries

http://antigravitybatteries.com/


I have had one on my 625SXC for 18months and it is excellent. In the cold weather the starting warms the battery up so by 2nd or 3rd try they turn over normally. mine will start down to about 5 degrees C easily.


he is an inmate here as well. (usual disclaimer - no connection just happy customer yadayada)

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Old 09-29-2012, 02:20 AM   #34
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Here are the best cost/weight mods:

- LiFePo4 battery - even if you take a big one to properly crank the bike even in cold temps it it will still save lots of weight
- Single disc conversion - sell the unused parts and you can make even some money!
- Remove crash bars and fit carbon/kevlar tank protectors instead
- 2-into-1 exhaust with titanium muffler
- 1.6"x21" front wheel with A60 rim and 2.5"x18" rear wheel with DID Dirt Star rim from the SE (slightly stronger than stock Excel IMO), both fitted with Tubliss inserts (these are made for 2.15" rims but fit ok with a thick sidewall tire)

The above all make the bike better handling and more reliable for off road riding (battery is arguable, although the Anti Gravities have a very good track record).

Going beyond this is going to require some really fancy materials and PowerCell like fabrication skills, or big $$, or a trade-off in strength or functionality (removing stuff or replacing with lighter).
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:10 AM   #35
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Gas Caps

I've been following this one and haven't seen the gas caps mentioned yet.

I have recently painted my tanks and had the gas caps out. Holy shit, those things are heavy!!!!

If you replace them with the billet ones you will save over a pound up high on the bike.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KTM-BLACK-CN...5cf4d4&vxp=mtr

They (SSR) also have these trick, new push button caps. (I haven't seen them before....)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KTM-QUICK-RE...2f7c37&vxp=mtr
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:23 AM   #36
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I've been following this one and haven't seen the gas caps mentioned yet.

I have recently painted my tanks and had the gas caps out. Holy shit, those things are heavy!!!!

If you replace them with the billet ones you will save over a pound up high on the bike.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KTM-BLACK-CN...5cf4d4&vxp=mtr

They (SSR) also have these trick, new push button caps. (I haven't seen them before....)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KTM-QUICK-RE...2f7c37&vxp=mtr


Have you ever had a set of those?


I put one on my Triumph Speed Triple and found it to be a pain in the butt. Unscrewing and screwing in was the first step, all the time putting tiny aluminum shavings in the tank as the threads we not perfect. Then you have to have a clean place to put the cap since its not attached. A strong enough wind will toss the cap off of the tank bag. Then of course you can't lock it up. If I did any touring, especially out side the country, I'd always be concerned someone may have stolen my fuel.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:23 PM   #37
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Have you ever had a set of those?


I put one on my Triumph Speed Triple and found it to be a pain in the butt. Unscrewing and screwing in was the first step, all the time putting tiny aluminum shavings in the tank as the threads we not perfect. Then you have to have a clean place to put the cap since its not attached. A strong enough wind will toss the cap off of the tank bag. Then of course you can't lock it up. If I did any touring, especially out side the country, I'd always be concerned someone may have stolen my fuel.
I do. Haven't ridden much with them. Filled gas through them a couple times though. (My head gasket went and I've been down a couple of months trying to buy parts/find time )

They rest in the slot on my handle bar clamp perfectly. I think they are easier than a key on either side.

I don't really road travel in other countries so, that one isn't really a concern of mine. (But, then again, I have completely removed my keyed ignition from my 690 so, maybe I'm not the person anyone should pay attention to when it comes to security )

I was looking at a relativley cheap, easy way to lighten the load once I felt how much the stock ones weighed.

I always back turn the caps to find the correct starting point and they screw on smoothly with no metal shavings.

However, the OP wanted weight savings for single track and other challenging conditions and this is another easy option. Ok, out to the garage to put my LC8 into a frame so I can post in the "What have you done today" thread.....

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Old 09-29-2012, 01:06 PM   #38
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Fwiw, I didn't hate the caps, just pointing out that they were a bit of a pain.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:36 PM   #39
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Ok Clearly there a number of things that can be done at a resonable price to reduce the weight of the bike possibly of some 15 kg (33lbs)...that means to equal a 950SE:

Remove rear footpeg
Remove rear rack and hand holder
2 in 1 with titaium pipe
Lighter battery
single front disk
CPR air box
Lighter rims
Gas caps


What we forgot to say though is that for off road use everyone would add a decent skid plate, a damper, handle riser and a brake pump protector...that add some good weight

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Old 10-06-2012, 11:52 AM   #40
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I just changed my 990 to a single rotor. Here are the actual weights...

This is the two calipers. So you save half of that which is 1.13 Kg


This is one stock rotor. 1.38 Kg


If you go with the Galfer rotor you save an additional 0.5 Kg

So total removed unsprung weight is 3Kg or 6.6 lbs

You decide if you think thats worth it.
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Old 10-06-2012, 03:48 PM   #41
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Hi,

I did the same calculation for the exhausts last weekend.

Each original are 4.8 kgs. An Akra aluminium is 2.2 kg. If you from stock to a two in one Akra you go from 9.6 to 2.2 kg! Saving 7.4 kgs placed in a high position. There mght be an other little bit saved using the 2 in 1 connection.

Also the two passangers foot pegs are 1kg together.

Passenger arms holder are another 1 kg together.

So if you do a rough calculation you'll see that:

- 2 in 1 +
- Front single brake +
- Remove foot and holder for passanger +
- Light battery

You save some 15kg from stock that match a SE if you start from a 950 Adventure. These are not expensive mods.

You can probably save more with lighter rims.

I guess if these mods are joint by good suspension setting it should improve by far performance off road

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Old 10-06-2012, 07:37 PM   #42
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The question is just: how I can get a lighter 950 that will help me riding better off road...or at leat easier for an avarage rider as I am????
You've gotten a lot of good advice so I'll offer some you didn't ask for.

If you're really truly trying to ride better off road take a school. I can pretty much promise you that there is no part you can add or replace that will do more for you than a single day of professional instruction. It's not cool because its not something you can point to but what's so great about it is its the one thing you can keep transferring to every new bike you own. It works on any bike and unlike parts it gets better with use. When I road raced I took every school I could find and it made a huge difference. Same with dirt. Even at the Bend rally I skipped a ride to do Jimmy's class and the simple skills and exercises were great - even if I knew them.

The 950 is a pig. As Navin says there's nothing you'll be able to do to "fix" the weight so learning to ride it better will pay more dividends. But as others have said suspension (I've used Super Plush for years on my bikes) and tires goes a long ways.

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Old 10-06-2012, 08:05 PM   #43
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I just changed my 990 to a single rotor. Here are the actual weights...
what brake hose did u use ?
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:12 PM   #44
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what brake hose did u use ?
I bought new banjo bolts and a length of Russell hose.
http://www.russellperformance.com/mc...ses/main.shtml
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Old 10-07-2012, 03:08 PM   #45
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You've gotten a lot of good advice so I'll offer some you didn't ask for.

If you're really truly trying to ride better off road take a school. I can pretty much promise you that there is no part you can add or replace that will do more for you than a single day of professional instruction. It's not cool because its not something you can point to but what's so great about it is its the one thing you can keep transferring to every new bike you own. It works on any bike and unlike parts it gets better with use. When I road raced I took every school I could find and it made a huge difference. Same with dirt. Even at the Bend rally I skipped a ride to do Jimmy's class and the simple skills and exercises were great - even if I knew them.


Gregor
Gregor,

Thatnks for that. You are 100% right. I thought about it but I have never done. You see I am one of that rider that with the bike has slowly slowly learned to do a bit everything at accetable level...I have just been to lazy to become a champion...

















...but you are right, I will look into this, as hard off road is my weakest point!

Now a couple of things more. Your website is so cool! You are a lucky man dealing for work,with bike at such quality level...reformulating having made of your passion such high quality job.

And that is why in this picture capture me last week...



Ciao

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