E0 or avgas

fastgpfred · 10-07-2012, 05:04 PM

I would really like to buy E0 gas for my 07GSA. It's not available near me. Anyone try avgas? I have 100LL available locally. If 94UL was available I would use in a heartbeat. A pilot friend told me 100LL will burn out the cat in a car/pickup

ragtoplvr · 10-07-2012, 05:17 PM

lead in the fuel will coat the catalyst and render it ineffective. It will also coat the O2 sensor and it will stop working as well. Open loop is richer, so you will burn more gas, oil will turn dark faster etc.

Rod

Anorak · 10-07-2012, 05:20 PM

100LL has more lead in it than most automotive gas did when leaded fuel was available at the pump. Avgas is formulated for engines that run in very different conditions than motorcycles. Constant high load low rpm large throttle opening. What would be considered lugging for a road vehicle engine.

It will kill the catalytic converter and the O2 sensor. It smells really good both in the raw state and as exhaust, though.

Here, this is what you think you want.

The Evil Twin · 10-07-2012, 05:37 PM

QUOTE=Anorak;19769099]
Here, this is what you think you want.[/QUOTE]
I think the OP wants an option without ethanol. Street Blaze is still E10.
If that is the case, search http://pure-gas.org/ or go to a race track. My home track sells Shell 100 which is E-free. It's over $5/ gal though.

fastgpfred · 10-07-2012, 05:38 PM

Thanks. Figured that with the 100LL. Any thoughts on the 94UL?

fastgpfred · 10-07-2012, 05:41 PM

Actually what I'd like is the EPA to be given to Greece or Spain and corn to be in the produce section!

The Evil Twin · 10-07-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fastgpfred

Actually what I'd like is the EPA to be given to Greece or Spain and corn to be in the produce section!

You just made my day! You, sir, shall be quoted!

joenuclear · 10-07-2012, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastgpfred

Actually what I'd like is the EPA to be given to Greece or Spain and corn to be in the produce section!

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Evil Twin

You just made my day! You, sir, shall be quoted!

Yes he shall!

Anorak · 10-07-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Evil Twin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anorak

Here, this is what you think you want.

I think the OP wants an option without ethanol. Street Blaze is still E10.
If that is the case, search http://pure-gas.org/ or go to a race track. My home track sells Shell 100 which is E-free. It's over $5/ gal though.

My mistake. Wait, high performance gasoline with ethanol? That's unpossible!!!! Everybody knows that blah blah blah ethanol blah blah.

slartidbartfast · 10-07-2012, 09:59 PM

Fill out your profile and tell us where "near me" is. Maybe one of the inmates will know of a source for 0% ethanol in your area.

roger 04 rt · 10-08-2012, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastgpfred

I would really like to buy E0 gas for my 07GSA. It's not available near me. Anyone try avgas? I have 100LL available locally. If 94UL was available I would use in a heartbeat. A pilot friend told me 100LL will burn out the cat in a car/pickup

Just curious, why do you want E0? You bike should run perfectly well on Premium E10.

The Evil Twin · 10-08-2012, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Anorak

My mistake. Wait, high performance gasoline with ethanol? That's unpossible!!!! Everybody knows that blah blah blah ethanol blah blah.

No, no, no. Please don't misunderstand me, mate. I'm not arguing that, just going on the assumption that he wanted ethanol free fuel.

Anorak · 10-08-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Evil Twin

No, no, no. Please don't misunderstand me, mate. I'm not arguing that, just going on the assumption that he wanted ethanol free fuel.

No, my mistake. I didn't read the whole description of the fuel I linked. I wasn't aiming the snark at you.

roger 04 rt · 10-08-2012, 07:54 AM

I hate having anything rammed down my throat, and many of us feel that way about alcohol in gasoline. But gasoline can have its octane boosted. The three most recent boosters have been lead (poisonous), MTBE (carcinogenic) and ethanol (corrosive to older materials and intoxicating ;-) ).

My approach now is to accept it and boost fuel delivery to work better with it (4% more fuel needed plus whatever else you choose to add, 6% in my case). 10% more fuel takes about 20% higher fuel pressure and a shift in the O2 sensors lambda setting from 1 to 0.94. Ethanol works fine. Here's a racing article: Ethanol in Racing.

def · 10-08-2012, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastgpfred

Actually what I'd like is the EPA to be given to Greece or Spain and corn to be in the produce section!

fastgpfred for president.

No wait, fastgpfred for Sec of Energy or Ag Sec.

I don't think Spain or Greece would actually want the EPA. I know I wouldn't. They are waaaaaaaaay too powerful.

10-07-2012, 05:04 PM	#1
fastgpfred ^OP Adventurer Joined: Apr 2010 Location: Northern Calif Oddometer: 42	E0 or avgas I would really like to buy E0 gas for my 07GSA. It's not available near me. Anyone try avgas? I have 100LL available locally. If 94UL was available I would use in a heartbeat. A pilot friend told me 100LL will burn out the cat in a car/pickup

10-07-2012, 05:17 PM	#2
ragtoplvr Beastly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2007 Location: S. W. Mssouri Oddometer: 4,543	lead in the fuel will coat the catalyst and render it ineffective. It will also coat the O2 sensor and it will stop working as well. Open loop is richer, so you will burn more gas, oil will turn dark faster etc. Rod

10-07-2012, 05:20 PM	#3
Anorak Woolf Barnato Joined: Jul 2004 Location: OAK Oddometer: 29,130	100LL has more lead in it than most automotive gas did when leaded fuel was available at the pump. Avgas is formulated for engines that run in very different conditions than motorcycles. Constant high load low rpm large throttle opening. What would be considered lugging for a road vehicle engine. It will kill the catalytic converter and the O2 sensor. It smells really good both in the raw state and as exhaust, though. Here, this is what you think you want. __________________ 'Gonna get me a six pack...push people off the highway!' "they live off the carrion of our mutual distrust and bribe us with symbols that equate hatred with manhood." "I mean at the end of the day, I was addicted to Starting Fluid for Christ's sake!" "Yeah, that guy sure is terrible at touching moms"

10-07-2012, 05:37 PM	#4
The Evil Twin Boxer Freak Joined: Jul 2012 Location: NoVa Oddometer: 413	QUOTE=Anorak;19769099] Here, this is what you think you want.[/QUOTE] I think the OP wants an option without ethanol. Street Blaze is still E10. If that is the case, search http://pure-gas.org/ or go to a race track. My home track sells Shell 100 which is E-free. It's over $5/ gal though. __________________ Cornerworker of the year 2012 www.marrc.org 1981 BMW R100rs "Helga" 2007 Kawasaki ZX6r "Grasshopper" 2012 BMW R1200 GS/A "Elche"

10-07-2012, 09:59 PM	#10
slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes Joined: Dec 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana or Southern England or ... Oddometer: 4,088	Fill out your profile and tell us where "near me" is. Maybe one of the inmates will know of a source for 0% ethanol in your area. __________________ MSF Ridercoach IBA: 35353 95 R1100GSA, 93 GTS1000, 85 R80RT, 93 DR350/435, 99 RX125, 78 DT100 January 2010 New Zealand South Island ride Summer 2009 UK to Alps ride Summer 2008 UK End-to-End ride

10-07-2012, 05:38 PM	#5
fastgpfred ^OP Adventurer Joined: Apr 2010 Location: Northern Calif Oddometer: 42	Thanks. Figured that with the 100LL. Any thoughts on the 94UL?

10-07-2012, 05:41 PM	#6
fastgpfred ^OP Adventurer Joined: Apr 2010 Location: Northern Calif Oddometer: 42	Actually what I'd like is the EPA to be given to Greece or Spain and corn to be in the produce section!

10-08-2012, 07:54 AM	#14
roger 04 rt Studly Adventurer Joined: Nov 2011 Location: Massachusetts Oddometer: 837	I hate having anything rammed down my throat, and many of us feel that way about alcohol in gasoline. But gasoline can have its octane boosted. The three most recent boosters have been lead (poisonous), MTBE (carcinogenic) and ethanol (corrosive to older materials and intoxicating ;-) ). My approach now is to accept it and boost fuel delivery to work better with it (4% more fuel needed plus whatever else you choose to add, 6% in my case). 10% more fuel takes about 20% higher fuel pressure and a shift in the O2 sensors lambda setting from 1 to 0.94. Ethanol works fine. Here's a racing article: Ethanol in Racing.

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