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Old 10-20-2012, 10:53 AM   #106
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:21 AM   #107
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I have one comment about the importing of GPX or whatever you want to call it: The turns are not necessarily at the same place where the gps decides to drop a point so the mileage and the turns will not tie up.

The ONLY way this will work is if you digitize the line in GE, but then there is the problem of different radius curves - How does this tool deal with that? Those of you who have made road books will know what I am talking about here. Sometimes a curve smooth with lots of points and an angle change of 5 degree increments, but its still a hazard or navigation point and would not necessarily be picked up by the software.

Don't get me wrong: I think this is a step in the right direction and I applaud what you guys are doing but I have my doubts its going to make things much easier at all for a while yet. Regardless, I would probably buy a copy anyway if it were available for sale just because when I sleep I dream about road books and road book creation.
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Old 10-23-2012, 06:25 AM   #108
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I think this is a great idea and it is a step in the right direction ...

In any case, rally roadbooks have to be validated so I think the plan would be to print the roadbook that you have created and go over to do the track and validate it. This is what I think is great. Instead of going on and on and finding routes out of nowhere you plan and then check... You miss the fun of going out and getting lost but let's leave that for the race

At the moment, even in the near future I cannot see how GE could be used without validating the track ...
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:09 AM   #109
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Neil, you are correct, you do need to adjust your track to the actual contour. But even so, it's a lot easier to drag points on an existing GPX track with our tool than it is to re-create the entire route from scratch. It's just a shortcut way to get started, but by no means are we trying to auto-create a finished route from a GPX file.

Buying it? Nope. The tool is intended to build the rally community by putting good route creation tools into the hands of riders and promoting sharing of routes. The idea is that it will be free to use, with the caveat that your route will be shared in the Route Library for others to use. We will have some premium version of the service that will cost, but those details are not yet decided.

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I have one comment about the importing of GPX or whatever you want to call it: The turns are not necessarily at the same place where the gps decides to drop a point so the mileage and the turns will not tie up.

The ONLY way this will work is if you digitize the line in GE, but then there is the problem of different radius curves - How does this tool deal with that? Those of you who have made road books will know what I am talking about here. Sometimes a curve smooth with lots of points and an angle change of 5 degree increments, but its still a hazard or navigation point and would not necessarily be picked up by the software.

Don't get me wrong: I think this is a step in the right direction and I applaud what you guys are doing but I have my doubts its going to make things much easier at all for a while yet. Regardless, I would probably buy a copy anyway if it were available for sale just because when I sleep I dream about road books and road book creation.
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:25 PM   #110
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Neil, you are correct, you do need to adjust your track to the actual contour. But even so, it's a lot easier to drag points on an existing GPX track with our tool than it is to re-create the entire route from scratch. It's just a shortcut way to get started, but by no means are we trying to auto-create a finished route from a GPX file.

Buying it? Nope. The tool is intended to build the rally community by putting good route creation tools into the hands of riders and promoting sharing of routes. The idea is that it will be free to use, with the caveat that your route will be shared in the Route Library for others to use. We will have some premium version of the service that will cost, but those details are not yet decided.

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Old 10-23-2012, 02:16 PM   #111
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:13 PM   #112
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Neil, you are correct, you do need to adjust your track to the actual contour. But even so, it's a lot easier to drag points on an existing GPX track with our tool than it is to re-create the entire route from scratch. It's just a shortcut way to get started, but by no means are we trying to auto-create a finished route from a GPX file.

Buying it? Nope. The tool is intended to build the rally community by putting good route creation tools into the hands of riders and promoting sharing of routes. The idea is that it will be free to use, with the caveat that your route will be shared in the Route Library for others to use. We will have some premium version of the service that will cost, but those details are not yet decided.

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Sounds really awesome Dave!

BTW if anyone wants to do Stage 15 of the 2012 Dakar as a warmup for next year, please contact me. I have the RB
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:15 PM   #113
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:59 PM   #114
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At the risk of saying too much, too soon....

Rally Navigator features in development:
● Drawing tools for detailed Tulip creation
● Drag and Drop FIM - Dakar Rally Navigation icons
Configure roadbook from imported GPX track, still requires manual waypoint placement.
● Header function with Miles, WP, Fuel mileage, altitude profile, start finish,
● “Virtual Pre-Run” Google Earth route flyover with synchronized roadbook,
ICO, Compass display
● Utilization of Google Earth roads & routing function - snap track to road
● Saving/Sharing preferences: Private - Share with select friends - Public
● Fully searchable Route library - search by ratings, location, creator etc.
● Support for comments and ratings on each route
● Facebook Integration, sharing and authentication

Lots of work still to do. The end product should be fantastic.
If you can incorporate a "So... you can't find your arse in the dark with both hands?" user function...
that can be up loaded into the GPS and help keep (simultaneous) track of where the rider is relative to the roadbook,
then you'll be able to sell heaps of them over here at navigation rallies.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:37 PM   #115
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If I may leave suggestions, please allow us to print a "draft" with blank lines between every one of the google earth generated ones, so that we have more space to write corrections on the track . Printed characters in this drafted version could be in gray, so that we can scribble over them, correcting what is necessary.

Altering an existing roadbook is tedious, please consider tools to deal with sections - insert or delete pieces of the roadbook, correcting the rest of the distances accordingly.


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I have one comment about the importing of GPX or whatever you want to call it: The turns are not necessarily at the same place where the gps decides to drop a point
Neil - check the new generation of GPS bluetooth dongles / data loggers. They are logging positions 5 times per second if you want them to. I have one of the older 1 Hz loggers and if I set it to log at max resolution most turns are over detailed. Anyway, there will always be differences between GPS track distance, Google earth and ICO's, or even between two of your own passings with the same bike and instruments...
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:56 AM   #116
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Hope your all on track, with all the variables.
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:59 AM   #117
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totem offers a software for PC and android to create your own roadbook.


http://www.rallyvirtual.com.br/siten...totem-planilha
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:59 AM   #118
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Looks good, even though my Portuguese is non existent!

I used to use RBEditor but when I recently attempted to download it onto a new PC, I keep getting a message telling me the files are corrupted?

I'll have to copy it over from the old PC and see if it still works!
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:16 AM   #119
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A month past away since last post.

Hope your all on track, with all the variables.
We're still plugging away. Working on the drawing tools at the moment. We'll have another update soon.

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Old 11-28-2012, 03:34 AM   #120
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