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Old 10-22-2012, 03:24 PM   #1
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Changing the oil filter

In the photo below is a new and old filter. When I removed the old one I noticed there was no metal ring. Previous owner hack! I'd like to know if the new filter pictured can be installed "without" o-rings? There were no o-rings when I dismantled the pieces. Also, just to be certain, what is the sequence of install on the parts... filter, metal ring, white o-ring, gasket?



Here is a so-so pic of the bike. A little over exposed on the bottom and under exposed on the top. The sun was streaming into my garage. Better pics to come. It's getting there.

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Old 10-22-2012, 03:31 PM   #2
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I just did mine. Let me see if I have some pics that show any detail. Otherwise, it's:
1) oil filter goes in (I like to rub a little oil on the rubber gaskets and the o-ring)
2) metal "washer" goes onto the outer lip of the canister
3) white "o-ring" goes in
4) outer metal filter cover goes on
Look here: http://largiader.com/tech/filters/canister.html
Some of the newer bikes have a canister that does not require the metal "washer". See Anton's information
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:37 PM   #3
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I have some pics starting with post #41 here: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...=818377&page=3 .
Don't know if that helps.
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:39 PM   #4
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Really need to know the year bike from the OP before giving advice. earlier models with the sharp-lipped canister need the metal, later with the rolled edge do not.
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:44 PM   #5
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:47 PM   #6
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Look here: http://largiader.com/tech/filters/canister.html
Some of the newer bikes have a canister that does not require the metal "washer". See Anton's information
What year is your bike?
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beat me to it! anyway, does your canister have a rolled lip or a straight edge?
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:52 PM   #8
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beat me to it! anyway, does your canister have a rolled lip or a straight edge?
Where do I look for this? Inside the filter cavity?
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:55 PM   #9
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Where do I look for this? Inside the filter cavity?
Yes, it's the internal "can". Look at the pics, see if that makes it clear.
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Yes, it's the internal "can". Look at the pics, see if that makes it clear.
Perhaps you can tell me? I bought a new ring to install. Seems logical that I would need one with a gap at the opening of the canister wall, but this is new to me. The white o-ring that I removed looked "pinched" from this gap.

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Yes! You need the metal "washer" placed onto the canister. This protects the white o-ring from being cut. Then place the o-ring onto the metal washer, followed by the outer cover.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:13 PM   #12
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Not exactly the same as yours as it has an oil cooler, but it's not THAT different either.



Shamelessly stolen from Anton's excellent writeup on the subject. Go read it:

http://www.largiader.com/tech/filters/canister.html

and this...

http://www.largiader.com/tech/filters/


When you're done reading those THEN go change your oil filter. RTFM, as they say.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:43 PM   #13
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Be sure to measure the canister edge depth to engine block face accurately with a depth gauge or like tool. Anton has a nice easy-to-read table regarding the shimming process. I prefer using Oak's 10% to 25% O-Ring compression formula. i.e.;

O-Ring + Metal Shim - Cover Gasket (if used) - canister depth / O-Ring x 100 = % O-Ring Compression.

Constants:
O-Ring = 4.0mm
Metal Shim = 0.3mm
Cover Gasket = 0.5mm
Canister depth = To be measured

Any doubts regarding the dimensions of the above parts should be checked with a micrometer.
You should only have to measure the canister depth once every few years since it shouldn't move.
If less than 10% or more than 25% O-Ring compression; adjustments are needed.
Remember the cover gasket for the 77 and later models is not used to seal the canister for external leaks. The O-Ring does the sealing and depending on your cannister depth measurement the cover gasket may not be needed.
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Old 10-22-2012, 05:54 PM   #14
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+ 1 on the above. See my pictures on the $2000 o-ring (referenced above).
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Old 10-23-2012, 03:31 PM   #15
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Thanks for your help guys. My canister depth requires a gasket. Off to the next task!
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