ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > Orange Crush
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-25-2012, 09:45 AM   #496
mookymoo
Mookish Mook
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Location: Either UK or Australia ...
Oddometer: 4,371
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeGee View Post
I had my facet die on me in the middle of nowhere on a recent trip to Morocco, luckily I was carrying a spare one the facet had only been fitted for approximately 18 months .

First time I've heard of the Dr. Bean thingy. Can anyone point me in the direction so I can find more info please.

Cheers

DG
Any details on the failure Gav?
Corrosion?
Electrical failure?
Seized?
mookymoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 09:54 AM   #497
DeeGee
I'm a Yorkshireman thanoz
 
DeeGee's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Location: Up North In The UK!
Oddometer: 1,853
Quote:
Originally Posted by mookymoo View Post
Any details on the failure Gav?
Corrosion?
Electrical failure?
Seized?
Afraid not Nick, symptoms were the usual spluttering to a halt. Bike would turn over but not fire. When I turned the key the usual clicking sound of the pump priming was replaced with a whirring sound. I took the fuel (outlet) line off and turned the key and no fuel came out. Like I say luckily I had a spare one with me and replaced it within half hour.

In hindsight I should've brought it home and sent it to guys at parts for aircraft where I bought it from to see if they could shed any light on why it failed.

Sadly it's somewhere in the Cedar Forest!!
DeeGee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 11:30 AM   #498
mattc
Gnarly Adventurer
 
mattc's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Location: New Waverly, TX
Oddometer: 411
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=823347


There you are.
__________________
2000 XR650R
2001 CR250R
mattc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 01:07 PM   #499
Pointman0853
Unregistered Gun Owner
 
Pointman0853's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Location: Douglas County, Nevada
Oddometer: 1,376
Facet Update...

20k plus miles on my 40171, no issues. I carry a spare while on long trips.
YRMV...

Pointman
__________________
AMA Life Member 600475
IBA #5
CarsonTahoeAdventureMoto.com
Pointman0853 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 05:23 PM   #500
cjracer
AWD please!!
 
cjracer's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Location: Mukwonago, WI
Oddometer: 3,951
I'm at about 50,000 miles on my 40171. Still working well at the end of this season.

I think the biggest thing is to check and clean filters. If you install a FACET filter (I don't, I use a cleanable Pingle, or cheap large plastic moto filter) or any other filter on the INLET SIDE, clean or replace it every 10,000 miles when you do a valve check. I think that running the tank dry, (running the pump dry) or starving for gas over a long period of time can do damage.

Remember, these are Airplane pumps, I'm pretty sure they are not designed to run Dry.

The current one in my bike I'll put another 10,000 miles on it and see how it lasts. Then swap in a new one before my next trip out west. That figures out to a whopping $.001 per mile. If I was just running around town all the time. I'd keep it in until it fails, but not when I travel off road. I prefer to swap out parts before they strand me.
__________________
My 2006 950S thread. 2006 950s update
New product updates here! Wordpress BLOG
click www.cjdesignsllc.com for the full line of products. FREE STUFF!!

cjracer screwed with this post 11-27-2012 at 06:15 PM
cjracer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 05:43 PM   #501
AdvGa
Beastly Adventurer
 
AdvGa's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Location: Atlanta Metro
Oddometer: 1,320
The Facet Pump's INLET Fuel source needs to be Filtered to protect the Pump Mechanism from damage.

When I talked with the Facet Engineer,

he suggested a 74 Micron Fuel Filter but Most, if not all Filters, are NOT marked with its filtering capacity.

The problem with most Fuel Filters in Stores are Opaque and Do Not have their Filtration Specs listed.

I found these Glass ones where you can see inside and they have been doing well for years:

http://www.bikebandit.com/biker-s-ch...r-fittings-kit


AdvGa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 06:01 PM   #502
mattc
Gnarly Adventurer
 
mattc's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Location: New Waverly, TX
Oddometer: 411
Mine let fuel leak thru while sitting, and would flood the engine.

Did a Dr. Bean kit on my stock pump. All better, no rigging some junk into place that doesn't belong. MUCH better!
__________________
2000 XR650R
2001 CR250R
mattc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 07:41 PM   #503
triplenickel
Beastly Adventurer
 
triplenickel's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Location: Campbell River, BC. Fantasy Island
Oddometer: 2,422
Quote:
Did a Dr. Bean kit on my stock pump. All better, no rigging some junk into place that doesn't belong.
No contradiction here!
__________________
07 SE

PG007
"Up there where you eat moose-cock you must all be rockets scientists."
triplenickel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2012, 07:55 PM   #504
pdxmotorhead
Studly Adventurer
 
pdxmotorhead's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Location: Portland OR
Oddometer: 570
I've used the facet pumps on buggies since the 80's there is a small screen in many of the pumps that I've had clog up.

I used to use thermal epoxy to put a 1" AL heat sink on the big transistor on top and one on each side to help keep them cool. (They need a little ventilation... not a bunch but some.)

I've literally put a hundred thousand miles on them on multiple vehicles.

Cheers
Dave
pdxmotorhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2012, 01:16 AM   #505
superhak31
Adventurer
 
superhak31's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Location: Burbank, Ca.
Oddometer: 85
Had a Carter and i neglected to put a pre filter inline = FAIL. Replaced with facet 40171 w/prefilter. Better pressure ratio and it works great. No fuel hydro locking like the carter/napa. 06' 950 adv/blk
superhak31 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2012, 05:13 PM   #506
mattc
Gnarly Adventurer
 
mattc's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Location: New Waverly, TX
Oddometer: 411
Quote:
Originally Posted by triplenickel View Post
No contradiction here!

Well, I look at it as a better of two solutions. One works fine for me without having some janky shit rigged up. The other works, but not as it is supposed to, and has to be "customized" into place.
__________________
2000 XR650R
2001 CR250R
mattc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2012, 05:57 PM   #507
triplenickel
Beastly Adventurer
 
triplenickel's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Location: Campbell River, BC. Fantasy Island
Oddometer: 2,422
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattc View Post
Well, I look at it as a better of two solutions. One works fine for me without having some janky shit rigged up. The other works, but not as it is supposed to, and has to be "customized" into place.
It's all good bud, just teasing.
__________________
07 SE

PG007
"Up there where you eat moose-cock you must all be rockets scientists."
triplenickel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 01:32 PM   #508
mookymoo
Mookish Mook
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Location: Either UK or Australia ...
Oddometer: 4,371
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattc View Post
Did a Dr. Bean kit on my stock pump. All better, no rigging some junk into place that doesn't belong. MUCH better!
The eroding points are just one failure mode.
Many stock 950 pumps also seize (the piston corrodes/seizes). Mine failed this way the night before I was planning to swap it out. In some cases, a sharp whack on the pump will free the piston and have it work again (for a limited time, I guess) - which is how I got home that night.
mookymoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 01:22 PM   #509
Hobbes950
Darth Kitten
 
Hobbes950's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Location: Nevada City
Oddometer: 3,483
My facet 171 died on a local ride. Only 60 miles through several puddles, had just hit the highway for the short stretch to home and the classic sputter and die. Ignition on, no click click from the pump. Used my AAA to get home and after sitting over night it worked again.
I have a day trip this weekend and next weekend. Part of me says just go with it and carry my stock that was working when I did the Facet as "preventative maintenance."
The other part says to check the stock points and put it back on. But I am hesitant because I am going to go with Dr. Bean and this would mean having to take it back off again.
__________________
When in doubt, take it as a compliment.

My Ride Reports
Hobbes950 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 03:15 PM   #510
renogeorge
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Location: Reno
Oddometer: 1,157
Just curious....had you just installed the Facet? Mine has been bulletproof for 30k miles.
__________________
KTMs--300, 518, 990
renogeorge is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 05:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014