To Superlace or not ? - Page 2

LukasM · 10-26-2012, 06:29 AM

Is there anybody who has gone from a 1.85" SE rim to a superlaced 1.85" SE or Excel rim and found a noticeable difference in how it holds up?

Obviously rim width and quality will make a huge impact on strength so I'd like to take that variable out of the equation.

mookymoo · 10-26-2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sporting Wood

Pretty sure they ran the stock rim. I think Lyndon was sent one of those x2x3 deals, maybe for the race bike or maybe for his own, and sent it back...and another friend eventually got it the mail later for which he sent it back too...both iirc a little put off by the bastardized way in which it was put together.

I only know what I've read/inferred here on ADV
http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...ng#post7283240
http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...ng#post8734478

Maybe they're not the latest word, I dunno.

catalina38 · 10-26-2012, 08:38 AM

Here is a good update from Pyndon and others.

I recently needed a complete new front wheel and I compared all the options and sources and when comparing apples to apples the Woody's was only slightly more $$ than other options. The wheel is X2 X2 laced if that is still an issue for some.

http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=313
http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....5&postcount=10
http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....1&postcount=12
http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....0&postcount=50

Sporting Wood · 10-26-2012, 05:56 PM

When you give stuff away in trade for advertising, you get these sorts of glowing reports in trade. Believe what you will. I know these guys, and am aware of the back story. If an A60 trips your trigger and really believe its 7000 series aluminum is better than DID's 7000 series aluminum...and if the weird lace necessary to make it happen doesn't bother you... because its "Super", then by all means cattle up to the gate and give'em your CC number.

Cheers and good luck with that.

brents347 · 10-26-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sporting Wood

When you give stuff away in trade for advertising, you get these sorts of glowing reports in trade. Believe what you will. I know these guys, and am aware of the back story. If an A60 trips your trigger and really believe its 7000 series aluminum is better than DID's 7000 series aluminum...and if the weird lace necessary to make it happen doesn't bother you... because its "Super", then by all means cattle up to the gate and give'em your CC number.

Cheers and good luck with that.

I call bullshit. Do you have any evidence of this "trade for advertising" going on? Or should we just go on the fact that you "know these guys".

Sporting Wood · 10-27-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by brents347

I call bullshit. Do you have any evidence of this "trade for advertising" going on? Or should we just go on the fact that you "know these guys".

No, and as I said previously, believe what you will.

GrenDesb · 10-29-2012, 02:29 PM

“In God we trust; all others must bring data.” W. Edwards Deming

Sporting Wood · 10-29-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GrenDesb

“In God we trust; all others must bring data.” W. Edwards Deming

This assumes I care more about convincing you than I value privacy. I don't. Send your Loonies to WWW, carefactor=0 They're fine wheels, you'll certainly be happy. I posted a link for where you can get a superior, or at least as good rim for $179 + shipping, that you could do it with stock spokes, the differences in how they're laced and touched on some engineering considerations. I've done my part here, the rest is up to you. Please post back with what you decided to do, how happy you turned out with the decision, what kind of riding you subjected it to, and how much it cost. Good luck.

GrenDesb · 10-29-2012, 05:18 PM

I was hoping for facts over opinions but that's ok.

Thanks for sharing yours.

I'm pretty decided about buying an 1.6" front and 2.5 rear rims and lace them myself.

I'll use the extra cash to fund suspension tuning.

I hear suspension tuning alone helps the rims and so far I haven't been able to adjust it like I would have liked.

Sporting Wood · 10-29-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GrenDesb

I was hoping for facts over opinions but that's ok.

Thanks for sharing yours.

I'm pretty decided about buying an 1.6" front and 2.5 rear rims and lace them myself.

I'll use the extra cash to fund suspension tuning.

I hear suspension tuning alone helps the rims and so far I haven't been able to adjust it like I would have liked.

Yep, I revalved mine back in 2006, polished the internals too. Huge difference and a correct, opinion, that it saves the rim. I know some shim stack combos that work well, where to get the washers, how to do it, which weight oil and airgap I like, which springs and where to source them inexpensively...but its all just...opinion. I have no facts.

YOGOI · 10-29-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GrenDesb

Is there anyone that upgraded their front rim without going with Woody's Superlacing and that regrets it?

I need to upgrade my front rim and ordering the rims and lacing them up myself using the stock spokes would cut costs by over 50% but I do not want to regret it.

Thanks in advance

I did my own using the stock spokes. 6 years now and the rim has no damage.
(I used Buchanan's 1.85 sun rim)
Its not the spokes, or the way they're laced that is the weak link. It's a soft rim. Replace that and your good to go for many years.

Pete640 · 10-31-2012, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sporting Wood

Yep, I revalved mine back in 2006, polished the internals too. Huge difference and a correct, opinion, that it saves the rim. I know some shim stack combos that work well, where to get the washers, how to do it, which weight oil and airgap I like, which springs and where to source them inexpensively...but its all just...opinion. I have no facts.

I'm wearing a Pyn T shirt and can't see any woodies advertising anywhere. Given his nature I'd say he's good to his word and call agenda on ur comments. Either pony up or stfu! I have no affiliation with woodies nor any other manufacturer but ur comments are severly slanted and smack of bias.

Cpt. Ron · 10-31-2012, 08:23 AM

Tight spokes and proper suspension tuning will go a long way to protect rims, even the stock one. With that said, replacing the hoop with a stronger one, and then making it narrower than stock, will add even more to preventing dents (or worse).

And this coming from a guy that has a supersized/superlaced front hoop now.

slidewayes · 10-31-2012, 04:47 PM

I by no means am a expert and have only built a dozen or so wheels . I do know that the majority of Honda's wins in SCORE/ BEST IN THE DESERT were on the stock 3.2 mm spokes nothing fancy just O.E. Look at what you are fixing are the spokes broke or the wheel bent . I personally put S/S spokes & S/S nipples in all of my wheels just easier to keep up .Just remember "The load has got to go somewhere"

10-26-2012, 06:29 AM	#16
LukasM Beastly Adventurer Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Vienna, Austria Oddometer: 4,909	Is there anybody who has gone from a 1.85" SE rim to a superlaced 1.85" SE or Excel rim and found a noticeable difference in how it holds up? Obviously rim width and quality will make a huge impact on strength so I'd like to take that variable out of the equation. __________________ Proud member of the HUSABERG ADVENTURE TEAM! '12 Husaberg FE570, 09 KTM XC-F/ 450 RFS hybrid, 07 KTM 450 SMR, 08+09 BMW F650GS twins/F800GS conversion, 03+05 YZF-R6

10-26-2012, 08:38 AM	#18
catalina38 Contrarian Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Stingray bay CA. Oddometer: 1,412	Here is a good update from Pyndon and others. I recently needed a complete new front wheel and I compared all the options and sources and when comparing apples to apples the Woody's was only slightly more $$ than other options. The wheel is X2 X2 laced if that is still an issue for some. http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=313 http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....5&postcount=10 http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....1&postcount=12 http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....0&postcount=50 __________________ Born 10,000 years too late Scientific Wild Ass Guesser:hmmmm catalina38 screwed with this post 10-26-2012 at 09:21 AM

10-26-2012, 05:56 PM	#19
Sporting Wood I <3 Energizer Bunny Joined: Oct 2011 Location: Horneytown, NC Oddometer: 556	When you give stuff away in trade for advertising, you get these sorts of glowing reports in trade. Believe what you will. I know these guys, and am aware of the back story. If an A60 trips your trigger and really believe its 7000 series aluminum is better than DID's 7000 series aluminum...and if the weird lace necessary to make it happen doesn't bother you... because its "Super", then by all means cattle up to the gate and give'em your CC number. Cheers and good luck with that. __________________ Yet Another New Air Filter for the KTM 950 - $150

10-31-2012, 08:23 AM	#28
Cpt. Ron aka Birdkilla Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Sacramento, CA Oddometer: 2,349	Tight spokes and proper suspension tuning will go a long way to protect rims, even the stock one. With that said, replacing the hoop with a stronger one, and then making it narrower than stock, will add even more to preventing dents (or worse). And this coming from a guy that has a supersized/superlaced front hoop now. __________________ Cpt. Ron Sack-O-Tomato, CA '05.5 950 Adventure S "Bad Mutha F@&ker" '04 R1150RTP "cop motor, cop suspension.." '00 XR650R Dual Sport "Lil' Mule" '75 RL250 '01 TTR90 '01 PW50 Conti TKC80 tire swing "I don't know what you do, but I know what I do, and I don't do that." --Uncle Doug, R.I.P. "Without the possibility of death, adventure is not possible"--Reinhold Messner

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10-29-2012, 02:29 PM	#22
GrenDesb ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: May 2011 Location: Québec Oddometer: 197	“In God we trust; all others must bring data.” W. Edwards Deming

10-29-2012, 05:18 PM	#24
GrenDesb ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: May 2011 Location: Québec Oddometer: 197	I was hoping for facts over opinions but that's ok. Thanks for sharing yours. I'm pretty decided about buying an 1.6" front and 2.5 rear rims and lace them myself. I'll use the extra cash to fund suspension tuning. I hear suspension tuning alone helps the rims and so far I haven't been able to adjust it like I would have liked.

10-31-2012, 04:47 PM	#29
slidewayes slidewayes Joined: Nov 2010 Location: HESPERIA CA Oddometer: 262	I by no means am a expert and have only built a dozen or so wheels . I do know that the majority of Honda's wins in SCORE/ BEST IN THE DESERT were on the stock 3.2 mm spokes nothing fancy just O.E. Look at what you are fixing are the spokes broke or the wheel bent . I personally put S/S spokes & S/S nipples in all of my wheels just easier to keep up .Just remember "The load has got to go somewhere"