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Old 10-25-2012, 08:20 PM   #3136
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:43 PM   #3137
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:58 PM   #3138
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Here are most of the parts to make 100 pieces. I'll get some more start-to-finish build pics posted up soon.

You work without beer? What kind of bs outfit is this?

Heh heh, I'm with you. Though I'm not sure these things will support both coffee AND beer!




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Old 10-29-2012, 08:56 PM   #3139
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In the immortal words of poolside....

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Old 10-29-2012, 09:17 PM   #3140
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They only support 20oz per 'fill'. So I'm pretty sure there's room for either coffee or beer, but not both. You getting this joke yet?


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Old 10-30-2012, 08:30 AM   #3141
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They only support 20oz per 'fill'. So I'm pretty sure there's room for either coffee or beer, but not both. You getting this joke yet?

Those sure came in handy during the last dozen Giants games...
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Old 10-31-2012, 05:35 AM   #3142
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Unfortunately I got it the first time... I was TRYING to not visualize but its too late... I already pictured you riding with a perplexed look around... then happy surprise when you remember your secret... then satisfied relief as you ride on...

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Old 10-31-2012, 05:39 AM   #3143
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So it looks like BMW has made some changes to throttle response on the new 2013. Anyone heard any details on what precisely they are doing yet? I wonder if they made changes that would require more engineering chllenges from Poolside or circumvent the feasibility of the Ice Air altogether heaven forbid?
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:11 AM   #3144
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:13 AM   #3145
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Unfortunately I got it the first time... I was TRYING to not visualize but its too late... I already pictured you riding with a perplexed look around... then happy surprise when you remember your secret... then satisfied relief as you ride on...
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:37 AM   #3146
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I would have figured the [air-cooled] motors would get enriched as the temp goes up, as that usually yields a cooler charge. I'm more of a water cooled guy, though. The modern boxer is a new thing for me.

Anyway, I'm just trying to understand what it does and how far it goes before I pop one on. Is there any adaptation left in the EFI system or is it a straight % across the board? Do the intake and ambient pressure sensors (if there) still function and affect the injector duration as originally intended? Is it trade secret?

I'm just a gearhead and this stuff fascinates me. I just like to understand things before I go plugging things into a vehicle. I spent hours researching what if's on the PCIII and PCV. Sorry if this all sounds familiar. There are a ton of pages to go through in this thread.
I feel the same way regarding the desire to understand things ahead of time.

Regarding your air-cooled comment: Typically as both the motor and the ambient air temp increase a fuel injected motor is operated with a leaner mixture. Air-cooled motors even more so.

A hot motor, with warm intake air, will continue to run on very lean mixtures. The motor doesn't make the same power as it does with a richer mixture, but it runs cooler and emissions are lower.

The IICE Air puts a 'lower intake air temperature offset' into that lean mixture trend. The ECU responds to that 'temperature offset' with a richer mixture, and the motor makes better power at all ambient temps.


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Old 11-01-2012, 05:18 AM   #3147
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So it looks like BMW has made some changes to throttle response on the new 2013. Anyone heard any details on what precisely they are doing yet? I wonder if they made changes that would require more engineering chllenges from Poolside or circumvent the feasibility of the Ice Air altogether heaven forbid?
Well, one thing I can tell you that if the factory changes the connector on the Intake Air Temp sensor, the IICE Air will not fit.  Other than that it will work just fine.


Some technical notes about the new 1200 Wethead:

I haven't read any factory confirmation, but it appears to me the new 1200 will have throttle-by-wire. A throttle-by-wire system improves the throttle response of an emissions-regulated motor by not allowing the rider to control throttle movements.

The most accurate way to describe the system is that throttle-by-wire masks the rider inputs that would exhibit poor throttle response by simply not letting them happen.

Of course all of that is very different from good throttle response.



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Old 11-01-2012, 05:21 AM   #3148
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:02 AM   #3149
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I feel the same way regarding the desire to understand things ahead of time.

Regarding your air-cooled comment: Typically as both the motor and the ambient air temp increase a fuel injected motor is operated with a leaner mixture. Air-cooled motors even more so.

A hot motor, with warm intake air, will continue to run on very lean mixtures. The motor doesn't make the same power as it does with a richer mixture, but it runs cooler and emissions are lower.

The IICE Air puts a 'lower intake air temperature offset' into that lean mixture trend. The ECU responds to that 'temperature offset' with a richer mixture, and the motor makes better power at all ambient temps.

Gotcha! Thanks! So then my assumption of all the other sensors remaining in play is correct (ambient/ intake pressure, etc). No worries about riding from Death Valley to Mt. Evans and the pressure changes
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"WeatHead"...did we already have a contest to name the new engine? I must have missed it
I thought it was a Wasser Kopf.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:35 AM   #3150
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"WeatHead"...did we already have a contest to name the new engine? I must have missed it
Well, since it's only partially wet... it will still rely on air cooling... perhaps it's kinda pretending to be wet... and not really a sign of true excitement that truely wet would indicate... Let's call it "Jelly Head" (as in personal lubricant squirted around the edges variety of wet)

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