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Old 11-03-2012, 04:00 PM   #1591
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Really?? I must have been dreaming about all the negative comments about the new adventure then, how many have been whining about the extra weight, that it would not be off-road worthy, questioning KTM's business strategy, and how some would hold on their KTM 990s because the new 1190 was a POS etc. Indeed, not everyone has been negative, but to turn it around and say that it would be cheerful and optimistic, well that is pushing it.... Some might have to work on their communication skills so what they communicate aligns better with their intentions.... you could have fooled me...

Now I am whining about the whining going here and I hate that. But as someone who is genuinely interested in motorcycles, and especially now I am considering adding a KTM to the stable, I am surprised by the negativity in this thread by so many members. Each to their own, and people are free to do whatever they want and all that, but my point is that KTM released pictures and specifications, and o'boy, several people here became overnight experts on the new bike's rideability and what KTM really needs to do to understand their market... thankfully there are also people who are more insightful and open-minded than that. Stop whining and start riding, and appreciate that new exciting products are coming into the work place.


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Old 11-03-2012, 04:32 PM   #1592
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Sign me up! I haven't been this excited about a new bike in a long time.
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Old 11-03-2012, 05:35 PM   #1593
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...Stop whining and start riding, and appreciate that new exciting products are coming into the work place.
Thats an outstanding series of articles on the 1190 and KTM. Enjoyed it. Thanks pebble35 for posting it.

As Cyborg knows, my disgust with KTM really has little to do with 1190, which by almost all measures, promises to be an outstanding road bike that one can take off-pavement from time-to-time. I already leave my R1200GS pavement riding buddies standing still on my 990, even with its skinny 21 Conti Trail Attack, but I would love the 1190 to also stick it to my Ducati MS friends.

Instead, my disgust stems from KTMs ongoing neglect of the middle-weight, off-pavement focused Adventure bike segment. This, I believe, is KTMs worst marketing mistake of all time, especially in light of the money they spend on the Dakar each year. Worst even then not providing bikes for the Long Wayat least that didnt cost them hard cash upfront.

In ADDITION to either my 990 or, perhaps, a 1190, Im looking for something in the 350-375 lb range; if it is in the 375 lb range, then it should be a twin. Droning on pavement at 75+ mph is NOT the mission statement for such a bike.

And, Im not insisting on a fully homologated bike. I have no doubt that the geniuses at KTM could take an extended lunch break to cobble together a 690 Hard Parts Adventure kit, consisting of Rally Replica front tanks, fairing, associated hardware (ala the Dottori Africa kit, except OEM quality) and a wide-ratio gear cluster. No rear tanks other than the stock under seat tank, perhaps reinforced slightly to carry up to 35 lbs of gear. This is not rocket science stuff. (IMO, RallyRaid carries the additional fuel too high).

My 640 Adventure is the closest existing embodiment of this concept. My only gripes are that it vibrates too much, is slightly down on power, it could carry the fuel even lower and it has a dated, and some would say, ugly look.

In the mean time, I'm looking forward to throwing a leg over a 1190, but for entirely different reasons!!
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Old 11-04-2012, 01:24 AM   #1594
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But the unusual tire sizes were the only thing I could think of to criticize!
Oh wait, it won't be for sale in the U.S. this coming spring. That IS a problem.

To anyone familiar with RC8 engine, are oil changes and valve adjustments the same arrangement as the 990 engine?
No quick and easy spin on oil filter, right?

The Bike Magazine article describes only 3 damping settings, street, comfort, and sport. Can each of these 3 selections be custom programmed to a certain level of compression and rebound damping? Likewise, the 4 preload selections need to have a custom level setting adjustment. It's hard to believe this level of adjustment is not provided for, but on the other hand, I'm surprised it's not mentioned once in 36 pages! Perhaps an email to Martin Fitz-Gibbons at Bike Magazine is in order?
Not seen the bike in the flesh yet so do not know how easy it is to pull bodywork/parts off to get to the motor for servicing work. What i do know is that the service intervals are up to 9,000 miles (double the intervals for the 990) so I don't think valves will need to be checked until 18,000 miles.......

Bigger service intervals will almost certainly mean service costs will be a lot lower than the old 990's.

I am sure the suspension settings can be custmised - will be seeing the bike in Milan next week and will ask the question !
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:56 AM   #1595
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I hope you all enjoyed the read !
I sure did. Thanks very much. I hope they sell a boatload of these bikes.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:58 AM   #1596
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I suspect this is the most important bit for everyone on here .............................


I hope you all enjoyed the read !
Yes thanks! Interesting reading especially the off-road part. I think this will change some of the perceptions that's for sure. I'll be sure to get that issue when it lands here.
BTW I didn't see the part where they mention the 700-800cc bike...pleeasse.

Looking forward to seeing the actual bikes!! Anybody hear whether they are likely to turn up at any of the IMS Moto Shows yet??...wishful thinking!!

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Old 11-04-2012, 11:04 AM   #1597
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Interesting read but the offroad part is not convincing. That's not necessarily the bikes fault, the tester himself admits to not daring to do more than an easy circuit. Maybe they should have invited someone who owns a 950/990 or SuperEnduro and rides it hard.
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:52 PM   #1598
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Interesting read but the offroad part is not convincing. That's not necessarily the bikes fault, the tester himself admits to not daring to do more than an easy circuit. Maybe they should have invited someone who owns a 950/990 or SuperEnduro and rides it hard.
Read it again - several paragraphs before the end of the off-road section.
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Old 11-04-2012, 02:00 PM   #1599
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Interesting read but the offroad part is not convincing. That's not necessarily the bikes fault, the tester himself admits to not daring to do more than an easy circuit. Maybe they should have invited someone who owns a 950/990 or SuperEnduro and rides it hard.

Read page 32 again. The photographer Chippy Wood has KTM big bike experience.
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:16 PM   #1600
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Thanks for posting that article Pebble. Nothing like some good moto-porn. I'm not sold on the non-R regular 1190. Pretty much a 12GS IMO. I think the 1190 R is a good-looking bike though. 18-21 wheels, etc.. I'm still glad I got one of the last 2012 990 Adv R's. It's very worked out and I feel I could trust it in the middle of nowhere. The 1190 will need a few 4-5 years under its belt.
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:03 PM   #1601
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Can anybody tell me why I would want to buy a new GS when you can have the 1190? I mean, I know they are hyping up the motor water cooling and all, but does anyone believe it will be better at anything versus the 1190???

I suppose its like Harley. Lots of people buy them not so much for the bike but to belong. That is the only reason I can see to get a GS over the 1190.
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:34 PM   #1602
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Thanks Owen. Great article
While ur in Milan cast an eye over the lhs of the bike -bet theres room for another tank
If it's as good in the flesh there just may be a 950 rallye imposter up for sale !!!
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:25 PM   #1603
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Thanks Owen. Great article
While ur in Milan cast an eye over the lhs of the bike -bet theres room for another tank
If it's as good in the flesh there just may be a 950 rallye imposter up for sale !!!
In Milan a week tomorrow and will post up a few photos.................
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:30 AM   #1604
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Can anybody tell me why I would want to buy a new GS when you can have the 1190? I mean, I know they are hyping up the motor water cooling and all, but does anyone believe it will be better at anything versus the 1190???

I suppose its like Harley. Lots of people buy them not so much for the bike but to belong. That is the only reason I can see to get a GS over the 1190.
Electronic cruise, shaft-drive, Telelever ... in case they are important to you.

If it is just about the dynamics, good reasons do seem difficult to drum up.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:33 AM   #1605
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...If it is just about the dynamics, good reasons do seem difficult to drum up.
I don't know about "just" part. I'll put up with a lot of "things" and forego a lot of features for the right riding dynamic. At essence, that's basically the reason I ride.
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