Hotrodding the GS - Page 212

roger 04 rt · 11-18-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Evil Twin

They knew what I was looking for. Not just peak numbers, but overall conditions. Since this time of year is slow, we spent a decent amount of time in the roller. Luckily, since it is slow season, it only cost me what the tech cost the shop; $30.
We ran at those cruising speeds for a couple minutes. 40-80mph in 4th 5th and 6th gear. Until it started showing 5 bars on the temp gauge, and then we let her cool down. WOT runs weren't much different but maybe by a couple tics. We did not do any cruise under 3k rpm.

With a warmed up bike at those speeds and gears your afr should be 14.7:1 since the bike should be closed loop. I have tons of data on this. You have a working O2 sensor, right?

The Evil Twin · 11-19-2012, 02:10 PM

Yep, the whole exhaust is stock so one in each header. The only possibility is that the sniffer was not far enough in the pipe. It would only go in about 4" or so. That shouldn't matter any.
Looking at it on a larger screen than my tablet, though, it is actually closer to the 13.7- 14.1 range for cruising. Unfortunately, I don't know what gear was what.

roger 04 rt · 11-20-2012, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Evil Twin

Yep, the whole exhaust is stock so one in each header. The only possibility is that the sniffer was not far enough in the pipe. It would only go in about 4" or so. That shouldn't matter any.
Looking at it on a larger screen than my tablet, though, it is actually closer to the 13.7- 14.1 range for cruising. Unfortunately, I don't know what gear was what.

So I hear you saying that this test wasn't with the throttle fully open but at a cruise setting.

It sounds like your tech was doing things right, but I can tell you for sure that unless you have your O2 sensors disconnected, once your throttle has stabilized and the engine is warm, your motorcycle will go closed loop and there the numbers will fluctuate around 14.7:1 plus or minues 0.2/0.3 AFR. If that didn't happen, either the engine wasn't warm enough or something else was wrong about the setup.

Do you have any aftermarket electronics on the bike?

Poolside · 11-26-2012, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tessitori

Quick technical question: since the weather has gotten somewhat cooler, should I change the settings on my unit in order not to lose performance gains?

As JJ said a couple of posts back, no, not really. But let me elaborate on that a little.

The jumper on the IICE Air can be left on the -20°C setting. The internal thermistors track the incoming air temperature and maintain whichever offset the user has selected. This means that at the -20°C setting the ECU receives an Intake Air Temperature signal that is 20°C lower than actual.

However, as you know the IICE Air is adjustable to any one of four temperature offsets. The adjustment capability is primarily for compatibility with our future products, and for extremes of ambient temperature. Extreme can best be described as barely tolerable for riding.

All the above notwithstanding, the four jumper settings are also there because some riders really want the ability to make adjustments. At least a hundred various user posts prove that the old adage is true, namely that 'your mileage may vary'. And who am I to argue with that?

10Cup · 11-29-2012, 08:23 AM

Am I the only one who would like an answer as to when my order will ship? I can't even get the courtesy of a response from these guys! From what I see the order list hasn't been updated in months. They have had my money for over two months now. WTF ! I don't think getting a response is to much to ask.

mouthfulloflake · 11-29-2012, 08:32 AM

Lets meet up soon, you can use mine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10Cup

Am I the only one who would like an answer as to when my order will ship? I can't even get the courtesy of a response from these guys! From what I see the order list hasn't been updated in months. They have had my money for over two months now. WTF ! I don't think getting a response is to much to ask.

10Cup · 11-29-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mouthfulloflake

Lets meet up soon, you can use mine.

Thanks Matt. Always the Gentleman. Really I just want a status update

johnjen · 11-29-2012, 01:42 PM

So here is my response.

I don't know.
Yeah I suppose that isn't 'manly' but it is the truth.

Did you happen to see this post?

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=603

JJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10Cup

Am I the only one who would like an answer as to when my order will ship? I can't even get the courtesy of a response from these guys! From what I see the order list hasn't been updated in months. They have had my money for over two months now. WTF ! I don't think getting a response is to much to ask.

(I^2)R/746 · 11-29-2012, 02:42 PM

It's not the first time somebody has complained. This seems to be a major sticking point with this endeavor of yours. I have been waiting a couple of months as well. I don't think anybody is asking you to be "manly" they just want an idea. Preferably up front. I think you guys might really have something here but at this pace it's a dud.

Have you considered outsourcing production? It's winter time and there's lots of smart folks on this board who probably wouldn't mind a little bench work. Perhaps have somebody make batches, send to you for QA, then you send out. Payment upon successful QA pass. There's one solution for you.

I honestly think with a little production help, some strategic marketing, and a small investment you guys might have something with this. Even at a zero profit some help would free you to complete the design work on the rest of the product line while keeping a customer base and your name out there.

Just trying to be constructive. I'm not throwing stones either: I own a small business servicing and installing generators and the like. I know how hard it is to find good help and what it's like to start from scratch. Good luck and hope to see my product this year.

KCDakar · 11-29-2012, 02:55 PM

Dagnabbit JJ! You made me read that post Again! Stop that. Reading is hard for me as it is. And you forcing me to reread an old post makes my head hurt! You need to stop taking your advertizingmentillteezering or whatever it is you do here way too serious. I mean really...

If you need me I will be hanging out on Poolsides lawn with bated breath waiting to catch a glimpse of the master as he walks by the casement window late at night toiling away at his workbench...

Ok, so truth be told, I won't be waiting on his lawn. I will be trying to figure out how to pump all the water out of my new underground silo I just bought. The last three owners couldn't figure out how to do it. Their problem was spending all their time reading the directions. I really got a screaming deal too! We all know the world is going to hell in a hand basket and I don't want to be caught with my pants down. So if you will excuse me, I have some work to do...

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DriftDragon · 11-29-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KCDakar

...Ok, so truth be told, I won't be waiting on his lawn. I will be trying to figure out how to pump all the water out of my new underground silo I just bought. The last three owners couldn't figure out how to do it. Their problem was spending all their time reading the directions. I really got a screaming deal too! We all know the world is going to hell in a hand basket and I don't want to be caught with my pants down. So if you will excuse me, I have some work to do...

You know deep water dive opportunities in kansas are all the rage these days...

Andrew · 11-29-2012, 04:41 PM

It's worth the wait, I'm glad every day I ride the GS.

darmahman · 11-29-2012, 05:50 PM

Join the club. I paid at least 3 months ago but don't expect it till Summer 2013. Seems there could be a problem if something happens in his life and can't finish them. He will leave a lot of people hanging.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10Cup

Am I the only one who would like an answer as to when my order will ship? I can't even get the courtesy of a response from these guys! From what I see the order list hasn't been updated in months. They have had my money for over two months now. WTF ! I don't think getting a response is to much to ask.

RomaDakota · 11-29-2012, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCDakar

I will be trying to figure out how to pump all the water out of my new underground silo I just bought. The last three owners couldn't figure out how to do it. Their problem was spending all their time reading the directions. I really got a screaming deal too! We all know the world is going to hell in a hand basket and I don't want to be caught with my pants down. So if you will excuse me, I have some work to do...

Assessment from the air, I'd be hoping the drought continues.... :-p

Poolside · 11-29-2012, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10Cup

I can't even get the courtesy of a response from these guys! From what I see the order list hasn't been updated in months. They have had my money for over two months now. WTF ! I don't think getting a response is to much to ask.

Ok, let me take a look. You sent a Private Message at 7pm yesterday, and didn't receive a response by 8am today.

I sent out an email to some folks in the PM queue today, I think you received one.

11-19-2012, 02:10 PM	#3167
The Evil Twin Boxer Freak Joined: Jul 2012 Location: NoVa Oddometer: 411	Yep, the whole exhaust is stock so one in each header. The only possibility is that the sniffer was not far enough in the pipe. It would only go in about 4" or so. That shouldn't matter any. Looking at it on a larger screen than my tablet, though, it is actually closer to the 13.7- 14.1 range for cruising. Unfortunately, I don't know what gear was what. __________________ Cornerworker of the year 2012 www.marrc.org 1981 BMW R100rs "Helga" 2007 Kawasaki ZX6r "Grasshopper" 2012 BMW R1200 GS/A "Elche"

11-29-2012, 08:23 AM	#3170
10Cup Beastly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Oddometer: 2,268	On order since Sept 4th 2012 Am I the only one who would like an answer as to when my order will ship? I can't even get the courtesy of a response from these guys! From what I see the order list hasn't been updated in months. They have had my money for over two months now. WTF ! I don't think getting a response is to much to ask. __________________ 10Cup - WR250R - BMW R1200GS Trails of the West 2011 Moab/Western TAT 2010 Continental Divide Ride 09 Route 66 Ride SPOT Tracker SpearMotorSports, Inc. The cost of living's going up, and the chance of livin's going down.

11-29-2012, 02:55 PM	#3175
KCDakar What are we waiting for? Joined: Nov 2006 Location: South of Kansas City a spell Oddometer: 3,339	Dagnabbit JJ! You made me read that post Again! Stop that. Reading is hard for me as it is. And you forcing me to reread an old post makes my head hurt! You need to stop taking your advertizingmentillteezering or whatever it is you do here way too serious. I mean really... If you need me I will be hanging out on Poolsides lawn with bated breath waiting to catch a glimpse of the master as he walks by the casement window late at night toiling away at his workbench... Ok, so truth be told, I won't be waiting on his lawn. I will be trying to figure out how to pump all the water out of my new underground silo I just bought. The last three owners couldn't figure out how to do it. Their problem was spending all their time reading the directions. I really got a screaming deal too! We all know the world is going to hell in a hand basket and I don't want to be caught with my pants down. So if you will excuse me, I have some work to do... . __________________ To me, the best kind of trips are the ones you planned on the way, allowed yourself to change, and maybe didn't end up where you expected. Klay I tell it what it wants to hear, and it does what I want it to do. I made that Motronic my bitch. Poolside Save $5 on Smugmug by entering coupon code: GJBcMk1uLoZm6

11-29-2012, 04:41 PM	#3177
Andrew Optimus Primer Joined: Sep 2001 Location: Eastbania Oddometer: 13,934	It's worth the wait, I'm glad every day I ride the GS. __________________ Splitting lanes, and splitting hairs.

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11-29-2012, 02:42 PM	#3174
(I^2)R/746 Adventurer Joined: Oct 2012 Location: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA Oddometer: 27	It's not the first time somebody has complained. This seems to be a major sticking point with this endeavor of yours. I have been waiting a couple of months as well. I don't think anybody is asking you to be "manly" they just want an idea. Preferably up front. I think you guys might really have something here but at this pace it's a dud. Have you considered outsourcing production? It's winter time and there's lots of smart folks on this board who probably wouldn't mind a little bench work. Perhaps have somebody make batches, send to you for QA, then you send out. Payment upon successful QA pass. There's one solution for you. I honestly think with a little production help, some strategic marketing, and a small investment you guys might have something with this. Even at a zero profit some help would free you to complete the design work on the rest of the product line while keeping a customer base and your name out there. Just trying to be constructive. I'm not throwing stones either: I own a small business servicing and installing generators and the like. I know how hard it is to find good help and what it's like to start from scratch. Good luck and hope to see my product this year.