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Old 11-21-2012, 06:18 AM   #1021
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Guerilla, an impact driver will get those screws out, it converts the downward hammer tap into turning motion while at the same time insuring that the bit stays in the screw. This one is "brand C": http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...32-196072104-2
I bought a similar but more compact impact that uses normal 1/4" hex bits from Harbor Freight.very inexpensive...plenty stout to do what you need....however the sears one is robust enough for bigger jobs....BUT if you haven't buggered the screw head, take your phillips, put it in the "+", and smack it a couple times with a hammer....50% of the time that will shock the threads enough come unstuck.....replace them with socket head screws
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Old 11-21-2012, 06:31 AM   #1022
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Hey Guerilla, I second this post above, that is the exact tool I used to get mine off. i was shocked as to how tight those suckers were in there.
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I bought a similar but more compact impact that uses normal 1/4" hex bits from Harbor Freight.very inexpensive...plenty stout to do what you need....however the sears one is robust enough for bigger jobs....BUT if you haven't buggered the screw head, take your phillips, put it in the "+", and smack it a couple times with a hammer....50% of the time that will shock the threads enough come unstuck.....replace them with socket head screws
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Don't push it with a Philips screwdriver.
They are JIS screws. I also couldn't undo them with a Philips but they came right out with a fifth bit (left to right) in this picture.
Same on the Kawasaki.
Thanks guys! I will give it a try today with an impact and the correct bit, luckily I didn't damage the heads.
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Old 11-21-2012, 06:38 AM   #1023
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Thanks guys! I will give it a try today with an impact and the correct bit, luckily I didn't damage the heads.
Yup...Balkan Boy is correct...they are not EXACTLY phillips...and the "+" is more shallow....for quick and dirty, you can grind (file) off the tip of the phillips to make sure you have a good bite in the +.....but trying a couple of smacks won't hurt...because if the bond is broken, it'll be loose enough that you don't bugger the +
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:01 AM   #1024
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Don't push it with a Philips screwdriver.
They are JIS screws. I also couldn't undo them with a Philips but they came right out with a fifth bit (left to right) in this picture.
Same on the Kawasaki.

I see a group buy on that kit in the near future.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:17 AM   #1025
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Don't push it with a Philips screwdriver.
They are JIS screws. I also couldn't undo them with a Philips but they came right out with a fifth bit (left to right) in this picture.
Same on the Kawasaki.
Thanks for the link to the JIS article.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:46 AM   #1026
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Don't push it with a Philips screwdriver.
They are JIS screws. I also couldn't undo them with a Philips but they came right out with a fifth bit (left to right) in this picture.
Same on the Kawasaki.

Jealous of the wera tools
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:26 AM   #1027
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You won't believe how expensive Wera tools are:

Sears
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/v_10153_1...2-00000cc221e4


Chads Tool box
http://chadstoolbox.com/05347180001-...-imperial.aspx


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Old 11-21-2012, 10:38 AM   #1028
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Central Hobbies sells a nice set of 4 JIS screwdrivers for $17.99. I've had my set for 18 months and use it on all the screws that have a JIS dot on the head - they work great.

Japanese Industrial Standard Screwdriver Set (4), Item #:CHMJSDS
Unit price:$17.99 USD (Plus $8 shipping).

http://centralhobbies.com/Tools/jis.html

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Old 11-21-2012, 11:15 AM   #1029
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You won't believe how expensive Wera tools are:

Sears
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/v_10153_1...2-00000cc221e4


Chads Tool box
http://chadstoolbox.com/05347180001-...-imperial.aspx


Makes Snap On seem inexpensive.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:46 PM   #1030
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Got it off guys, thanks for the advice. I couldnt find JIS bits locally so I tried my luck with a regular phillips head and an impact gun, worked like a charm.
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:49 PM   #1031
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I like them, definitely free'd up some weight, difference isn't hugely noticeable but can surely be felt (as far as power). It was popping a bit after install of just the exhaust components. Once I added the fuel controller is when it opened up. I also did the airbox mods and filter mod that can be seen on bestdualsports.com . The 13 tooth front socket was also a big boost to the gearing, tons of fun in the dirt at this point. I need some better tires than stock though as they kind of suck in the sand.

How would you compare the FMF pipe's sound compared to the stock system? I've just heard a clip or two on the internet and it's hard to tell how loud it really is. I would like a new exhaust on mine but I don't want something that is obnoxiously loud to others.
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:43 PM   #1032
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How would you compare the FMF pipe's sound compared to the stock system? I've just heard a clip or two on the internet and it's hard to tell how loud it really is. I would like a new exhaust on mine but I don't want something that is obnoxiously loud to others.
I would say this video is accurate of the sound, I did the muffler and header at the same time so i can't tell you how it would sound with the muffler alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=WveN79a7Z2g#!

At cruising speeds, it isn't loud (actually quite nice) but definitely gets loud as you crank the throttle. I should have used my dB meter to take measurements... sorry!

I'll try taking a video on Friday with audio gain control turned off (so that it doesnt try to amplify the sound).

Guerillah screwed with this post 11-21-2012 at 03:57 PM Reason: Added more info
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:32 PM   #1033
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Hey guys, I haven't logged on here in years since I sold my KLR 650. I've been looking at dual sport bikes for a couple months. I thought I wanted a Kawasaki KLX 250 with the 17" wheels with the on-off road tires on it. Saw one on ebay and it looked cool. Then I ran across the Honda . I've had a few different bikes in the last 10 years, always seem to buy what my friends were riding. Older guys, cruisers, younger guys, rockets, but all my early years ( 6-18 yrs) I rode a SL-175 then a MR 250 Honda. Went with my dad when I turned 16 to buy a 1980 Honda XL250, but he would not let me buy it. Now I'm 48 and I can buy it if I want. So, I went to my local Honda dealer and the owner used to work for me when he was a kid. Anyway, he had 1 left out of 4 he ordered. i asked why he orderd so few and he said the dealers were afraid the bikes would be a flop, boy was he wrong. He said dealers are calling from all over the east coast offering him $500 over his cost to let them have it. I didn't ask how long it takes to get more or if he had more on the way. I really just stopped to look at one in person and as it turned out, the owner wants some work done at his house and early next year we are going to trade a bike for particle payment against my labor.He says Honda offers him an end of year deal where he gets credit against Hondas like a bonus. He said he will get me a bike as part of his bonus, maybe even a white one. But I like the red a lot. I hope you guys keep working on your bikes making them better so when I get mine all the bugs will be worked out.
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:35 PM   #1034
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I would say this video is accurate of the sound, I did the muffler and header at the same time so i can't tell you how it would sound with the muffler alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=WveN79a7Z2g#!

At cruising speeds, it isn't loud (actually quite nice) but definitely gets loud as you crank the throttle. I should have used my dB meter to take measurements... sorry!

I'll try taking a video on Friday with audio gain control turned off (so that it doesnt try to amplify the sound).
OK, thanks! A video would be great if you can make one. I'm sure other's would appreciate it also.
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Old 11-22-2012, 05:08 AM   #1035
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http://japan.webike.net/HONDA/CRF250...model&p.m=6335

$$$$$ Farkles for CRF from Japan. Especially interesting are the different styles of racks and attachment methods.
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