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Old 11-19-2012, 11:55 AM   #16
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Well Gaston is for real and indeed provides a service for us advriders.

I gave Javier a couple of opportunities to make some money off me but he wasn't able to deliver.
First I asked about tires and it took him a week to respond to an email so I considered him less than reliable. On another occasion I inquired about a sprocket for the KLR, which he claimed was impossible to get in Argentina. After wasting a bunch of time and effort trying to get the sprocket in Bangkok I ended up getting the sprocket delivered in Buenos Aires within 10 days through another local friendly advrider channel for a modest $50 fee. Seems strange to me Javier wouldn't be in the "know" about such options for getting parts.

Now he's on his high horse about the petty bureaucratic paperwork in a country that's in deep economic doodoo.
Argentina is about to be expelled from the IMF, which means they will default and suffer a currency devaluation. Currently the Argentine peso is trading on the black market for a 27% devaluation over the official rate.

Another national strike has been announced for tomorrow. Which likely means more piles of garbage of the streets of Buenos Aires.

I'm sorry Javier if you think this is "talking shit" about your country; but it is simply me observing the news and factual current event's in Argentina.
If my observations are incorrect please enlighten me. I hate to wander around in ignorance.
All that you have said is absolute true, I am not gonna get involve with Dakar because I 've never used their service and I don't like to throw things if have nothing to do with me. (impartial on this respect)
Now, as for Argentina I think speak for itself. I like a lot Argentina, but not even them are happy today with the whole situation, which frankly is going to hell and careful if a new dictatorial regime is in force soon., as in the pass.
It is a shame what is going on there, it really is a rich country , it has educated people but a lot of corruption, poverty crescendo, etc.....

Bush, you cannot ask for any part in Argentina today. nothing . U.S. imports (bikes, parts, etc.) are forbidden in order to protect MercoSur or wash their mouse to Brazil.
Whatever American or Japanese bike is in there, no parts are available, much worse import them.

On the other side, best thing to do (if your TP is overdue) go to Customs, tell them that your bike had a mechanical issue. Get a written statement from a mechanic in Argentina an go to talk with Customs. They understand and this factor is part of the law for an extension. I know a case in Argentina and they got rid of any penalty on further extension.


We'll see what happen. The government is tighten the cords and worried of a massive $$ exodus. Total control as possible.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:07 PM   #17
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Sorry to Bush Pilot

No Alex, I mean exactly what I have says, I talk about people who blablabla not travellers, I’m a traveller who rides a motorcycle also and speak two languages at least (???) Kinda I have a lot of customers but I don’t sell my soul or my beliefs because of money… I’m first a human being, second a biker, then a traveller, then many other things and down there after all the important I’m a guy who have a way for pay the bills, working honestly with what I love, bikes and travels
I mean people, not travellers, people who post things like the ones here: http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...=806161&page=3
And as in many other threads that I don’t will try to find it now and read it again, you know better than me… but maybe you are right and I can’t with that so I promise that this will be my last intervention on those subjects I will try to enlighten you but as I presume will be futile I will give up and don’t reply you or somebody else again anymore after this time. So here are some facts (at least for me, I don’t expect you are agree):
No, I don’t honestly think it's the "travellers" job to kiss my ass, never was my plan till now but you never know, maybe in a future I swap my sexual preferences and who know… Anyway, if it happens, I will try to keep it in private…
You were asking which are the penalties and I give you the exact letter from the law about that penalties, and not a windy answer, maybe I should tell you to take the risk and get many possibilities to win a place in the next “Banged up Abroad” TV Show on NatGeo
You have a Double Moral, you don’t like and complain about some situations in Argentina, is your option to don’t come back anymore. But instead of that you insist and want to keep overstaying your bike here... at same time you contribute with the corruption committing a felony but looks than that it’s okay if you are a gringo and the rules and laws doesn’t fit you... you can call that in the way you like if make you fill better...
I never give you false accusations, you confess it. ¿dispense oversensitive nationalist/socialist proclivities? Hahaha!!! No, my friend, nothing farthest from there…

Ok then you says you gave me a couple of opportunities to make some money off you but I wasn't able to deliver. First asking about tires and that took me a week to respond to an email so you considered me less than reliable. Well that’s another falsehood, luckily I have copy of all the emails I received and I sent. Your first contact were on Jan 4th at 5:51PM, well I reply you exactly next morning Jan 5th at 10:26AM and your reply saying you got tires in Rio Gallegos comes though the Jan 6th at 5:39PM (of course with a complain that was “Expensive but worth it.”) So where are that week and where was the unreliability if you chose to buy the tires there? Then on the Feb 9th at 6:18PM you ask for something and we reply you on the 10th at 11:17AM, at 11:40 AM you respond telling that what we offer you doesn’t fit you, and we understood that, it’s okay... On the Friday July 6th at 7:10 PM an email with your sprockets require arrived even been in holidays we reply you on the 10th telling you that “we didn’t have sprockets or filter for KLRs at that moment.” Recommending you as you were coming from Thailand where the JT Sprockets are made to bring it from there and maybe the filter as well (Hiflow are not made too??). Sorry but we never told you that all that were impossible to find it in Argentina, only that was complicate at that moment. Only that we didn’t have in stock and been in holidays wasn’t easy to get that for you.. Sorry if was a misunderstanding but at least this was useful for you to complain that even parts isn’t possible to get in Argentina (just check the link above)
Man, my only one high horse is my beloved Africa Twin sick and in intensive care for waste my time replying stupid thing like this, all my fault...
About the petty bureaucratic paperwork in a country that's in deep economic doodoo and about to be expelled from the IMF, which means will default and suffer a currency devaluation.
About national strikes which likely means more piles of garbage of the streets of BA maybe you can enlighten us how to solve all of this. We are lost, maybe we have to kiss some gringo asses?, maybe we have to fallow the IMF recipes?, or maybe do what the masters of the capitalism says? Ohhh my god Adam Smith where are you now when we need you??? Heyyyyyy WAIT.... we already have done all of that during a century...and to where that takes us??? Mmm same that Spain, Greece, Portugal, well maybe more of Europe, and the USA they didn’t have a devaluation of the dollar there even to the Euro that is going down also there?, people doesn’t leave in the streets of NYC? Isn’t garbage on the streets there or in many other places? Where is Africa with all this good guys from the IMF??
Well maybe better if this time we try to find a different way, maybe will take another century, provably I will not see it, for sure will not be this government, maybe we can’t but we will try or at least is what I try to teach to my two sons.. And we are who will suffer the consequences, don’t worry...
I'm sorry Alex if I can enlighten your ignorance. The only advice I can give you now is to respect the places, the rules and peoples mind of places you visit, keep your arrogance very deep in your panniers or maybe better make it disappear. Are you who come to visit my land talking bad about it in a non constructive way and not as opposite...
As I was telling you at the begin of this very long reply this will be last time I get involve in debates like these, I think all of this is pointless and doesn’t change anything, you will still have your pre-concepts and I will do the same, so I don’t will waste anymore my scarce time, better to invest it on fix my bikes and ride it... good bye!!!

PS for Gaston: Maybe you too deserve also a last reply and clarification about some facts; I will think about and maybe come back to you as soon I get some leftover time... chau
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:06 AM   #18
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Well Javier thanks for the thoughtful reply.
In hindsight I thought for sure I tried to contact you about tires prior to going to Rio Gallegos. Looks like I dropped the ball on the email., my bad. I apologize.

But also in hindsight your reply would have been entirely unnecessary had you not jumped my shit in this thread.
I suppose you had no way of knowing that even though JT sprockets are made in Thailand there's isn't a way to get one for a KLR which isn't used and supported there.
It's unlikely you don't know about the Miami/Buenos Aires connection for getting parts, which sidesteps some of the ridiculous and unnecessary official steps.
If I made an alteration to a document which had no consequence to you or anyone else, what's your beef?
As for morality that's for humans to decide not government. You did mention that you were human first!


As far as your "Argentina love it or leave it" attitude goes I'm at a loss for words except for saying "liberty" seems to be a lost concept with the Castro/Chavez nationalist/socialist/communist model of government, be it Argentina or the USA.
But have no fear Javier, I have no intention to live in Argentina and become a bum and mooch off your government. Since I paid my $160 for my 10 year visa I'll continue to come and go as it suits me, thank you.

Cheers, hopefully your business shall improve.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:58 AM   #19
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Well Javier thanks for the thoughtful reply.
In hindsight I thought for sure I tried to contact you about tires prior to going to Rio Gallegos. Looks like I dropped the ball on the email., my bad. I apologize.

But also in hindsight your reply would have been entirely unnecessary had you not jumped my shit in this thread.
I suppose you had no way of knowing that even though JT sprockets are made in Thailand there's isn't a way to get one for a KLR which isn't used and supported there.
It's unlikely you don't know about the Miami/Buenos Aires connection for getting parts, which sidesteps some of the ridiculous and unnecessary official steps.
If I made an alteration to a document which had no consequence to you or anyone else, what's your beef?
As for morality that's for humans to decide not government. You did mention that you were human first!


As far as your "Argentina love it or leave it" attitude goes I'm at a loss for words except for saying "liberty" seems to be a lost concept with the Castro/Chavez nationalist/socialist/communist model of government, be it Argentina or the USA.
But have no fear Javier, I have no intention to live in Argentina and become a bum and mooch off your government. Since I paid my $160 for my 10 year visa I'll continue to come and go as it suits me, thank you.

Cheers, hopefully your business shall improve.
Political rants are better in the basement.

Those of you who regularly forge documents and pay bribes only make it harder for the rest of us.

Clearly, Javier was professional with his responses to you regarding bike parts, while you acted like a spoiled child with your "I WANT IT NOW!" attitude. It's not Javier's fault if you were out of tires or needed an oil change in the middle of nowhere. Maybe, next time, do a little planning, and, maybe, like, I don't know... carry an extra oil filter. It's not hard. I carry one, sometimes two.

After reading your rants about Argentina in the thread Javier posted, it's clear that you and Gaston are made for each other. Me- I'll stick with Javier (if he'll have me!). I loved Argentina.



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Old 11-21-2012, 06:49 AM   #20
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Political rants are better in the basement.
Indeed
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Those of you who regularly forge documents and pay bribes only make it harder for the rest of us.
That's bullshit and you know it
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Clearly, Javier was professional with his responses to you regarding bike parts, while you acted like a spoiled child with your "I WANT IT NOW!" attitude. It's not Javier's fault if you were out of tires or needed an oil change in the middle of nowhere. Maybe, next time, do a little planning, and, maybe, like, I don't know... carry an extra oil filter. It's not hard. I carry one, sometimes two.
Clearly Javier withheld infomation which might have been very useful for a traveler in Tierra Del Fuego. Such as tires and parts are much cheaper and easier to get in Punta Arenas.
Also I never made any demands from Javier. I just used him as a contact, Unfortunately his logistics didn't fit with my travels.
As far as getting parts in Buenos Aires goes, indeed it's difficult but far from impossible, and turned out to much easier that searching Bangkok for two weeks trying to find a sprocket.
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After reading your rants about Argentina in the thread Javier posted, it's clear that you and Gaston are made for each other. Me- I'll stick with Javier (if he'll have me!). I loved Argentina.
So I'm not allowed to make honest observations? It's really not my fault someone like you decides to take such observations personally.
Again if my observations are inaccurate please illuminate me, since you seems to be such and Argentina expert. (nice pictures BTW)

As far as you, Gaston and myself go you seems to be the one with a penchant for stirring up shit.
I complied once to your PM request to alter a response to one of your posts with you later altered. That was in the spirit being helpful and the spirit of this forum.
I asked a fairly simple question in this thread to which I've yet to get a simple answer.
Instead I get these rather astonishing "by the book" moron replies.
So you and Javier want to barbeque me over changing a 4 into a 9, which had no consequence. Well, my response doesn't bear publishing, thank you.

Cheers, Happy Thanksgiving, we'll be bbq'ing a pig Iowa style.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:00 AM   #21
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All shit apart....

You can ask for a revalid on the tourist import on bikes. Is a litle paperwork you do on Afip, saying you cant take the bike out, because of... whatever you need that sound´s legit. It´s almost always answer yes.
If that doesn´t work, you can make an oficcial permit to another forigner to take your bike out of the country and back. In that case, the best way is to make a notary permit, and make it stamp at the Argentinian consulate closer to you´re adress.

Hope it works.

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PS: There´s no sense on fight against an asshole on the internet.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:13 PM   #22
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^Thanks,
see that's much more usefull info than having officious gobbledygook shoved in my face.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:46 PM   #23
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If what you want is useful information, there are some obvious ways of eliciting it from any of those posting above.

On the other hand, if what you want is something else--like for example "officious gobbledygook shoved in my face"---you've got a good handle on how to attract it here: just keep doing what you're doing.

Just saying: it's up to you.

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Old 11-21-2012, 03:09 PM   #24
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No amount of bitching and moaning is ever going to convince me that Javier is anything less than one of the best guys around. He let me use his shop, his tools, his expertise and all for nothing in return. He helped me just to help me and all he got in return was me and my bike occupying his shop space for 2 weeks getting in his way. He's a really good, generous person who does what he does because he's passionate about motorcycles and it pisses me off to see someone talking so much bullshit about him.
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Just saying: it's up to you.

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Seems to me in my OP I made a reasonably respectful and solicitous inquiry into what consequences exist regarding an overstay on a tourist import permit.
Seems to me it would be reasonable to expect a respectful and solicitous reply.
Instead the result; I get slandered and ridiculed over observations I made months ago, along with an accusation that I'm currently seeking to commit "felonies" against greater Argentina, which is pure bullshit.

It's really not up to me whether some nationalistic fanatic finds previous observations I made based on personal experience offensive.The truth is what it is and not much else. I really can't change that for you or anyone else.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:05 PM   #26
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Dear Mr. Bush Pilot,

Ranting assholes are my kind of people. I suspect that we'd get along just fine. You should try to come to one of the Latin America Rider Rallye's.

Sincerely,

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Ps: Three guys tried to rob me in Jujuy. I had to bear-spray them. I froze my ass off for three days getting to Ushuaia. I almost crashed- and it would've been really bad. And I still loved Argentina.
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:14 AM   #27
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. You should try to come to one of the Latin America Rider Rallye's.
Well hell amigo, where were you for the LARR-IV in Sipapu.
I was there man! Also had a great time too, getting drunk with some fellow psychopaths. One night I almost had to duke it out with Throttlemeister, something about okies and massage parlors I reckon.
And I woke up sleeping in someones Kermit chair.
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Well hell amigo, where were you for the LARR-IV in Sipapu.
I was there man! Also had a great time too, getting drunk with some fellow psychopaths. One night I almost had to duke it out with Throttlemeister, something about okies and massage parlors I reckon.
And I woke up sleeping in someones Kermit chair.
Dang. I only missed one, and I missed you. Maybe next time.

Btw, I think Nata Harli is heading to Thailand soon. Maybe Dave G too.
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Old 11-22-2012, 05:26 PM   #29
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Yea they're going for the Cambodia scooters for tots ride. I'm thinking on going to. I'll be back in BKK next week.
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