Waldo canyon fire

[Lovin' it Strom]

Originally Posted by Hannda

And they think lightning strikes (which was not the cause of this fire) are "caused by humans?"

Sure. Global warming/climate change=more severe storms=more ground lightening=fire oh and drought making drier fuels easier for lightening to catch. But I digress.

[petepuma]

You gonna blame global warming for the dust bowl...back in the 1920's i think?

[Yellow Pig]

Oh yea....

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it:

• The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
• This means that the ‘pause’in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-prove-it.html

[MeterPig]

Originally Posted by Hannda

And they think lightning strikes (which was not the cause of this fire) are "caused by humans?"

The governor certainly did a good job banning jobs, tax revenue and well being for hundreds when he axed fireworks but allowed campfires. Care to guess which on started a forest fire in Colorado?

[doc_ricketts]

Originally Posted by Yellow Pig

Oh yea....

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it:

• The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
• This means that the ‘pause’in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-prove-it.html

From the latest NOAA data:

You need to be careful about believing stuff that comes from the 'Mail'. Must be a Rupert Murdoch paper, ya think?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...?newsfeed=true

[wzd1a]

Fixed.

Originally Posted by doc_ricketts

From the latest NOAA data:

You need to be careful about believing stuff that comes from 'NOAA'. Must be an Obama paper, ya think?

[HellSickle]

Originally Posted by wzd1a

Fixed.

CSM, here we come.....

I thought this thread was supposed to be about the thieves and arsonists that the Springs is Rife with.

[doc_ricketts]

[QUOTE=HellSickle;19831943]CSM, here we come.....

I thought this thread was supposed to be about the thieves and arsonists that the Springs is Rife with.[/QUOTEI

That is right. I don't think most people will deny that Colorado is in a very dry spell and there is lots of dead pine standing around. And lots of lightning this year with arson clearly being a factor also. I am up in Washington state for a couple more months and it has been a record fire year here for the same reasons, mainly a record drought and lots of dead trees. A couple of fires here were started with campfires and one from rifle shooting with rocks as a backstop, but don't remember one being arson related. However in Cali there are many arsons near populated areas and clear evidence that the Waldo Canyon fire was such.

[JWhitmore44]

Seems some folks, mostly those where the houses survived, are having problems getting their claims taken care of. Probably no surprise there.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/home...n-shadows.html

[wzd1a]

Almost 3 months ago (see my post eariler in this thread [#62]) fire investigators released the cause of the fire to "officials" and politicians. I suspect that this fire may be classified as a terrorist act (regardless of who started it) and appears to be arson no matter how it is finally classified.

I have suspected for some time that Insurance companies would use the terrorism clause in the policies (as have been added since 9.11) to deny any claims related to this fire. All my insurance policies have been ammended with a terrorism clause.

Note that the public is still awaiting the information that was provided to "officials" and politicians almost 3 months ago.

[Hair]

I thought that I was a skimmer. But after reading the news briefs on the Waldo fire I didn't come away with Terrorist attack at all.

I could see where it is convent to suggest that every arson fire is a terrorist attack. But past investigations suggest that there is a clear line when it comes to intent for an arson fire.
In the past people have started fires for all sorts of reasons. Ranging from stress, to needing work as a fire fighter.

On the other hand if the investigators who are working this fire want a quick cop out. Then the community needs to hold them accountable for their actions. One can't just claim terrorist act without any proof.

[Lovin' it Strom]

Originally Posted by Hair

I thought that I was a skimmer. But after reading the news briefs on the Waldo fire I didn't come away with Terrorist attack at all.

I could see where it is convent to suggest that every arson fire is a terrorist attack. But past investigations suggest that there is a clear line when it comes to intent for an arson fire.
In the past people have started fires for all sorts of reasons. Ranging from stress, to needing work as a fire fighter.

On the other hand if the investigators who are working this fire want a quick cop out. Then the community needs to hold them accountable for their actions. One can't just claim terrorist act without any proof.

Well, we do know for a fact that terrorist organizations have been planning starting large forest fires. Hell that goes back to acts of war as far as fire was a controllable discovery. The Japanese were 'attacking' American soil floating gas filled balloons over the pacific northwest during WWII.

I find it odd that "officials" haven't made causes of the fire public yet. But I have to agree, if they manage to pin this to someone with a middle eastern name or Muslim convert there is a good chance they'll try to call it terrorism.

[wzd1a]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...do-canyon-fire