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Old 11-27-2012, 11:25 AM   #166
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Yes it is pure Bull Shit that is a flat our lie by whoever wrote it.

The study they are citing is here....
http://extension.usu.edu/iort/files/...dOHVreport.pdf
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I posted a similar reply with the link, but it hasn't shown up yet. Maybe later.

You are 100% correct.

Anyone who looks carefully at the survey questions, raw data, time-of-year the survey was conducted (for last trip), what the actual management was at the time (2000-2001), how open-ended questions were categorized by the survey takers, etc, etc, etc. can see that the "off trail" use could have been in places where "off trail" use was NOT a violation of existing rules (dunes, open areas, ...). SUWA can't conclude this use was a violation of law at the time, and they know it.

Get a complete copy of the survey, with all the questions and the answers to open-ended questions, then consider the survey timeline and the management conditions of the various BLM Field Offices and National Forests at that time.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:10 PM   #167
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Part of another response from a rep of one of the companies that signed the letter to obama "...there seems to be a big uproar over what they did...."

Keep making noise gang!!!
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:24 PM   #168
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I was gathering some info for a response to this petition and came across this:



They obviously got the BS generator redlining. I prefer to ride on a marked trail as do 99.9% of us on here.
And, here's the proof!
http://coloradotpa.org/news/news/exe...t-program.html
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:48 AM   #169
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Don't mean to preach guys, but I got a response from one of the 30 companies I've contacted that expressed appreciation for the tone of my communication with them. It said most of the communications they've been receiving amount to cyber bullying. I'm not saying anyone on here is doing that, but respectful communications will carry more weight than essentially yelling.

Reminds me of when Dodger stadium was first used for a SX race acouple years ago. A journalist in LA wrote an article that painted fans and the whole thing in an unfavorable light. I wrote him and he responded and said essentially the same thing....lots of nasty, hastily written notes with incorrect grammar and bad language. Unfortunately, it actually largely confirmed what his article said....which was disappointing to me. Spelling too is key. You can use Word to spell check if needed if draft it there first then cut and paste.

Just something to keep in mind as we proceed with this issue.

And just fyi, we're about ready to take the next step (COXR650L and I that is). Stay tuned and keep an eye out for a new thread.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:39 AM   #170
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Just had an idea that may help.

I bought some Red Wing boots a few weeks ago. and was wondering what to do about their participation in this fiasco.
Writing to corporate may not make much of a difference, but if I write to the local merchant that I have bought boots from for over 20 years explaining why I may not ever be buying from them again, they may have a "WTF is going on?" and contact corporate with more weight than a letter from a disgruntled customer.

I'll let you know how they respond. I'll get the letter out in the next few days.

Just a thought. Maybe contact the local merchants who you have bought some of these goods from over the years and let them know that their corporate's position may determine your future patronage.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:19 AM   #171
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Just had an idea that may help.

I bought some Red Wing boots a few weeks ago. and was wondering what to do about their participation in this fiasco.
Writing to corporate may not make much of a difference, but if I write to the local merchant that I have bought boots from for over 20 years explaining why I may not ever be buying from them again, they may have a "WTF is going on?" and contact corporate with more weight than a letter from a disgruntled customer.

I'll let you know how they respond. I'll get the letter out in the next few days.

Just a thought. Maybe contact the local merchants who you have bought some of these goods from over the years and let them know that their corporate's position may determine your future patronage.
I've tried that very approach with numerous Patagonia retailers over the years. Most don't care and blindly follow Chouinard and whatever he does. However Summit Canyon Mountaineering in Glenwood Springs actually talked to their Patagonia rep and claimed they wrote a letter to Patagonia as well. I hope they did.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:23 AM   #172
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This ad last year pissed off a lot of Patagonia retailers. Here their supplier (Patagonia) is basically telling consumers not to shop their stores and buy these products (which the retailer has already paid for and has sitting on the shelves). It caused some backlash from Patagucci retailers towards the Chouinard empire.

Talk about hypocrisy on Patagonia's part

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Old 11-29-2012, 08:38 AM   #173
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Maybe misguided, but I appreciate their sentiment. Perhaps they could set up authorized service centers to handle repairs and recycling so end retailers see some of that business.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:45 AM   #174
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Well I will ignore any Patagonia gear I find in Goodwill. I stick with strictly middle ground gear like the nice Starter down jacket I picked up the other day. Doesn't even have any gang symbols or stickers on it, although I appreciate that good American history of the brand.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:04 PM   #175
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Well I will ignore any Patagonia gear I find in Goodwill. I stick with strictly middle ground gear like the nice Starter down jacket I picked up the other day. Doesn't even have any gang symbols or stickers on it, although I appreciate that good American history of the brand.


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Old 11-29-2012, 03:02 PM   #176
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Is it red or blue
It is blue and I love it. I looked up the whole history of the Starter brand and it is quite interesting.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:30 PM   #177
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Agreed Dude!! The ultimate in hypocrisy.

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This ad last year pissed off a lot of Patagonia retailers. Here their supplier (Patagonia) is basically telling consumers not to shop their stores and buy these products (which the retailer has already paid for and has sitting on the shelves). It caused some backlash from Patagucci retailers towards the Chouinard empire.

Talk about hypocrisy on Patagonia's part

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Old 12-01-2012, 02:11 PM   #178
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Full list of supporters...
Seems to be a lot of businesses on that list who will be at least partially shooting themselves in the foot by supporting this possible closure, and that makes no sense at all.
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Old 12-01-2012, 05:13 PM   #179
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:39 AM   #180
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I just posted a link to this thread on RZRforums-- hope that's OK with the OP.
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