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Old 11-22-2012, 07:42 PM   #1
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Paris Wants To Ban All Motorcycles Over 10 Years Old

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/au...089FD4DD0&_r=0
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:07 AM   #2
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1. It's not PARIS but the present Mayor.

2. It's not MOTORCYCLES but all over 10yr vehicles.

3. At the moment it is just a PROPOSAL and possibly unlikely to go further.

4. Other than that the thread title was spot on

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Old 11-23-2012, 09:12 AM   #3
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A mayor speaks for the city, "wants to" means it's a proposal, and for motorcycles it's 10 years. Aside from that, your comment was spot on.
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:37 AM   #4
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wont happen

Was there for a Vespa rally , 2strokes would be baned as well. Even if it does pass , its just to much to enforce , the streets/sidewalks are riddled with 2stroke and k bikes. What is or has passed is a safety vest law . Everyone is in full gear anyways, they don't seem to mind. The best biker city iv ridden in.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:07 AM   #5
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The best biker city iv ridden in.
Go try Saigon. Serious mayhem. 99% of vehicles are bikes.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:45 AM   #6
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Go try Saigon. Serious mayhem. 99% of vehicles are bikes.
Paris has a unspoken bike lane, in rush hour . They kick your car to thank you.
Here in Miami, I'm invisible . Saigon looks worse for bikers .
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:28 AM   #7
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All of this crap like cash for clunkers etc. is great and all in theory, but it does not take into account the whole picture. Replacing a dirty bike/car with one that is newer and more efficient seems perfect, and reduces pollution where it is driven; the problem is that it does not account for the pollution and waste in extracting the materials from the ground, processing them, transporting them, manufacturing the vehicle, transporting it to market etc.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:30 PM   #8
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One Jumbo Jet taking off causes more pollution than all of the 10yr old vehicles in that country, although not nearly enough as your average American power station. I'll get me coat
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:46 PM   #9
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The U.S would love to have such a ban. Many dealers are refusing to work on, sell, or even sell parts for vehicles over 10 years old. But I will never happen here. The vintage vehicle scene is huge, it is a multi billion dollar a year industry, with millions of people involved, including me. I have one 40 year old car, and one 50 year old car, both Fords. I have no problem getting parts, and they are both insured as collector vehicles, for around $130 a year each. I would have some vintage bikes too, if they weren't so expensive. No parts are are available for vintage Japanese bikes, I had a 1985 Goldwing LTD. and found out about that the hard way. I cannot afford vintage Harleys or European bikes. I do have a 1977 Puch moped. And I got as close to a vintage Vespa as I could afford, a Genuine Stella.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:24 AM   #10
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The U.S would love to have such a ban.
The scene is huge, it's a multibillion dollar industry, and millions of people are involved.

Even though dealers have no interest in supporting old vehicles, you have no problem getting parts for a 50 year old Ford. I had no problems getting parts for my 1960 VW (sold it two years ago) I had no problem registering it, no problem insuring it. Never hassled while driving it. Same story for my 60s era Ducatis. In fact it's cheaper for me to register and insure these vehicles than my new stuff. MUCH cheaper. My plates are good for ten years, no annual renewal. My insurance is one fifth the cost. The BS catastrophic claims fee they add to motorcycle insurance here is about half for old bikes.

If "the US" is trying to ban these vehicles, why is it so easy and inexpensive to keep them legal?

Who is "the US" you are referring too?

Not supporting a certain vehicle anymore, and wanting to ban all older vehicles is two different things. Not supporting it is economics. Money, pure and simple. Banning them is political, which again ties back to money I suppose, but still.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:59 AM   #11
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The reason dealers won't work on older vehicles can be summed up in one word, "Liability".

If a customer brings in a bike or car for a single reason, such as tires, etc, then the dealer is possibly liable for anything that goes wrong that the dealer didn't point out.

So the bike goes in for tires, the dealer maybe points out (and it best be in writing) that it needs brakes, but fails to point out worn swing arm bearings, steering head bearings, leaky carbs, etc, and something happens, the dealer can find themselves liable.

Unless everytime you take a bike or car in for work and want to pay for a complete inspection, the dealer doesn't want to pay out of their pocket to do it just to cover their ass, it's easiler just to say no.

And while most posting here are realistic in what they expect, there is a buncha aholes out there who will sue for unrelated problems.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:18 PM   #12
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It's FRANCE, FFS!

I don't know what the problem is in getting older vehicles repaired. Around here, there are plenty of independent shops who are happy to get the work.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:43 PM   #13
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And now they want to put a 160% tax increase on beer. Those bastards!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/27/wo...1A3BC2DC40C824
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