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Old 11-28-2012, 12:03 PM   #331
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It will be interesting to see how his riding style adapts (will it change?) to the MGP bikes, looking at how Dani stands the bike up as fast as possible at the end of a corner, Casey similarly, I wonder if Mark will need to maintain a more upright attitude through the corners to get the drive down?

Off to troll through the MGP site to see if I can find some riding style comparisons... back in several days!
Bradl has a similar elbow down Moto2 style...
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:40 PM   #332
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Pretty sure it was a quote by Marquez at the Valencia test.

....followed closely by him complaining that the traction control was hurting his corner exits

On that note, I've never ridden a MotoGP bike, I've ridden an S1000RR and it could only be described as mindbendingly fast. These guys are almost a different species.

That's the thing. I just don't *really* have any idea what they're doing to control these bikes. But it's fun to think about in the abstract.

One of the things I've noticed is it seems to me that riding styles are more similar than they used to be. I remember everyone commenting on Dohan's unusual style. You could sure tell it was him going through a corner. Now it seems everyone has very similar body position and technique when riding the bike. Even CS looked similar, just more extreme. I kind of chaulk it up to the influence of the electronics.

If anybody want's to post pics to prove me wrong I'd love to see them.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:53 PM   #333
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I kind of chaulk it up to the influence of the electronics.
It's the control tire.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:14 PM   #334
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Hanging waaaayyyyy off the bike is not the same as lean angle.

I think the extreme hanging off that MM and some others do allows them to carry more speed for a given lean angle.

I am no expert, just a theory I have seen mentioned.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:45 AM   #335
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Hanging waaaayyyyy off the bike is not the same as lean angle.

I think the extreme hanging off that MM and some others do allows them to carry more speed for a given lean angle.

I am no expert, just a theory I have seen mentioned.
I thought that the further you hang off the less you have to lean the bike... and the less lean angle the more power you can put to the ground and the faster you can go.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:59 AM   #336
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I thought that the further you hang off the less you have to lean the bike... and the less lean angle the more power you can put to the ground and the faster you can go.

Same thing.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:02 AM   #337
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I thought that the further you hang off the less you have to lean the bike... and the less lean angle the more power you can put to the ground and the faster you can go.
Yes to a point, you still need to get your weight back on the bike and upright to apply power. So hanging off too much makes that harder, most feel that Pedrosa is the king of getting the bike upright and back on the power and he hangs off less than most.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:32 AM   #338
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Crash.net reported that Nicky was 3rd fastest yesterday at Jerez


Behind two WSBK bikes.




http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/186...isses_out.html
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:34 AM   #339
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I'd think that in fast corners the dramatic hanging off would produce more wind resistance and slow the bike/rider combination a bit... I've wondered if that is a factor at all...
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:50 AM   #340
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Crash.net reported that Nicky was 3rd fastest yesterday at Jerez


Behind two WSBK bikes.




http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/186...isses_out.html
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:59 AM   #341
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Crash.net reported that Nicky was 3rd fastest yesterday at Jerez


Behind two WSBK bikes.




http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/186...isses_out.html
How can you tell if your MotoGP program is in trouble? When your WSBK program has a faster bike.

Wait! Easy fix, just load them on different trailers afterwards!
(it really only takes about 80 seconds!! )
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:09 AM   #342
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How can you tell if your MotoGP program is in trouble? When your WSBK program has a faster bike.

Wait! Easy fix, just load them on different trailers afterwards!
(it really only takes about 80 seconds!! )


It was a Kawi and an Aprillia, not that it eases the pain any.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:25 AM   #343
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How can you tell if your MotoGP program is in trouble? When your WSBK program has a faster bike.

Wait! Easy fix, just load them on different trailers afterwards!
(it really only takes about 80 seconds!! )
The Ducati WSBK is an even bigger nail than the MotoGP bike . . .
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:28 AM   #344
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So hanging off too much makes that harder, most feel that Pedrosa is the king of getting the bike upright and back on the power and he hangs off less than most.
Complete speculation, but given that he's got less mass to shift over the bike, my guess is that he's using his right hand to stand the bike up quickly. By that I mean that he finishes some turns with an extra helping of throttle; this slides the back slightly pulling the bike upright sooner, at which point the rear regains grip and the extra throttle turns the slide into early acceleration.

That kind of control is what makes him an alien.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:20 AM   #345
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The Ducati WSBK is an even bigger nail than the MotoGP bike . . .
Yeah, that whole no-frame chassis concept seems to be a real nail. I was afraid the Superbike would be a bust too. Well, hopefully they'll have it sorted. Maybe the motor is too agressive or something that they can tune. The motor is a pretty radical design too, isnt it?
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