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Old 11-30-2012, 05:32 AM   #376
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So Crash is reporting that Sykes (Kawi) and Laverty (Aprilia) on RACE TIRES were very close to NH on time at Jerez. And until the second day of testing, Sykes was faster than the MotoGP Duc.

Audi, you listening? Right there you could save millions. Buy a few WSBK spec Kawasakis, paint them red and you will probably finish closer to the podium in 2013.

Pretty flippin sad, eh?

As of right now, the 2 Honda and 2 Yamaha factory bikes are going to leave the rest of the field like they are standing still. IMHO
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:59 AM   #377
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:05 AM   #378
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So Crash is reporting that Sykes (Kawi) and Laverty (Aprilia) on RACE TIRES were very close to NH on time at Jerez. And until the second day of testing, Sykes was faster than the MotoGP Duc.

Audi, you listening? Right there you could save millions. Buy a few WSBK spec Kawasakis, paint them red and you will probably finish closer to the podium in 2013.

Pretty flippin sad, eh?

As of right now, the 2 Honda and 2 Yamaha factory bikes are going to leave the rest of the field like they are standing still. IMHO
Soooo... the world superbikes and the CRT's aren't much different in performance. Still don't get the point of the CRT's, aside from adding bikes and riders to the grid, they are just expensive fancy machines that are no better than a WSBK. If MotoGP is headed the way of CRT's then it may as well just dissapear.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:21 AM   #379
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Soooo... the world superbikes and the CRT's aren't much different in performance. Still don't get the point of the CRT's, aside from adding bikes and riders to the grid, they are just expensive fancy machines that are no better than a WSBK. If MotoGP is headed the way of CRT's then it may as well just dissapear.
CRTs are not 'no better than a WSBK' they're in a lower state of tune than WSBK. More like BSB.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:32 AM   #380
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CRTs are not 'no better than a WSBK' they're in a lower state of tune than WSBK. More like BSB.
They should remove the engine useage limitations for CRT, get them making the same sort of power that the SBKs do, then they would be mixing it up with the prototypes.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:47 AM   #381
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CRTs are not 'no better than a WSBK' they're in a lower state of tune than WSBK. More like BSB.

That seems like a fair call, looking at this past season and recent tests.

If it were allowed to happen, I think that the front of the WSBK field could show their rear tires to much of the CRT field.


I have wondered why the CRT bikes weren't given a displacement advantage (maybe 1200cc) at least for the first few years. Probably lots of factory vs. sanctioning body politics there, huh?
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:06 AM   #382
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That seems like a fair call, looking at this past season and recent tests.

If it were allowed to happen, I think that the front of the WSBK field could show their rear tires to much of the CRT field.


I have wondered why the CRT bikes weren't given a displacement advantage (maybe 1200cc) at least for the first few years. Probably lots of factory vs. sanctioning body politics there, huh?
1200cc? Isn't that the same as a sportster engine?
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:51 AM   #383
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1200cc? Isn't that the same as a sportster engine?
Just picked an arbitrary engine size. You know- the size advantage that the Ducati twin is given in WSBK. Evens up the field?
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:10 AM   #384
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Just picked an arbitrary engine size. You know- the size advantage that the Ducati twin is given in WSBK. Evens up the field?
I know. I just had a thought of sportster based GP bikes to gain more interest from American fans.


Hopefully nobody takes that seriously.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:28 AM   #385
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OK then.....a 1400cc V-rod engine
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:46 AM   #386
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Because they're already at the edge of traction when they're leaned over and accelerating out of a turn. Countersteering would add unwanted and abrupt additional load on the front. Recent example: when Pedrosa crashed at Phillip Island on the hairpin, he went in too deep and tried to pull it back around (countersteering or not), put too much load on the front and lowsided.

What we do at 40mph to avoid an unseen obstacle in a canyon corner is a whole different deal than what they're doing at 10/10ths on a closed circuit.
I don't think they're always in every turn on the very edge of traction, especially not during a race. That would eat their tires pretty quickly. They might not be too far from it, but I'd think they're well within the margin (well within the margin as in the tiny margins that these people play with) to add something like for example a little counter-steer or a bit more throttle when exiting. Other times, when they're going for it, they are real close though, or over like Pedrosa in your example.

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Old 11-30-2012, 11:12 AM   #387
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I don't think us mere mortals really have a friggin clue, what those guys actually do to get around the track that rapidly.

Countersteering my ass
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:52 AM   #388
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"Countersteering my ass "
Exactly. Back when I used to go faster than doG, I would have my bike leaned over at the very edge of traction, and if I needed to make miniscule changes to my line, I would use my ass. Clinching and unclinching, as appropriate.
I remember one time I was so close to crashing, that my ass was up between my ears, my leathers were wet in one particular spot, and the only thing that saved me were a few well placed curse words.
Those RD350s were the real thing - real beasts. Not like the trash they ride nowadays.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:55 AM   #389
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I don't think us mere mortals really have a friggin clue, what those guys actually do to get around the track that rapidly.

Countersteering my ass
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:05 PM   #390
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I don't think us mere mortals really have a friggin clue, what those guys actually do to get around the track that rapidly.

Countersteering my ass
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They don't call these guys aliens (or near-aliens for the non-factory riders) for no reason. Watch some of the MotoGP videos and you can (barely) see their micro-second mid-corner corrections/ catches as they hang it out on the edge.

But that is their- highly paid- job, right?
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