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Old 12-02-2012, 07:27 AM   #976
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The synthetic gear I was referring to are riding suits. You aren't getting away from synthetic on that stuff
I totally understand that one. Heck , last summer it was at 100F when I was just about 10 miles from the Canadian border in Montana. Sheesh! Ended up with the outter gear strapped to the passenger seat.
Lovin' this report. Course, loved all of them.
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:40 AM   #977
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:28 AM   #978
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There is a problem with the wiring into the fuel tank on the XC bikes.

Do you have more info on the wiring issues and your bypass?

On your bike in the background, it looks like a fuel can strapped on top of the bash plate.
It lookes kinda slanted toward us, so is there a second one on the far side?

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PS, any thoughts on the Husky 610?
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:09 AM   #979
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Do you have more info on the wiring issues and your bypass?
Well there is an electrical connector in the top of the fuel tank for the fuel pump and the fuel gauge. The fuel pump connections seem to short out between 40 and 80 thousand km ... So on my bike I have soldered those connections and put a new connection about 10cm away (on the outside of the tank).

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On your bike in the background, it looks like a fuel can strapped on top of the bash plate.
It lookes kinda slanted toward us, so is there a second one on the far side?
Yes ... Prutser and Beamster had brought some 2 litre fuel containers for Terry and myself. Because the next day (after the current day we are on) would be a risky one for us ... a long way out in the middle of nowhere ... doing over 200 miles across abandoned land around the soviet nuclear testing site. No towns, no fuel, no nothing We needed to all carry as much fuel as possible. i only had the one ... just 2 extra litres. Sometimes I carried it in one of the Magadan bags rear pockets, and sometimes I strapped it to the bashplate.

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PS, any thoughts on the Husky 610?
Dont know it that well, so my opinions are subject to being wrong :). But you mentioned earlier its a rotax engine too ... as far as I know that is not correct. Its also about the same weight as the XC. As the FI wasnt calibrated by BMW then (Mikuni from memory) I am guessing its thirstier than the XC. It doesnt sound like a bad choice of bike ... I believe Safari make a fuel tank, and you will have to custom make a luggage rack. Dont know how the motor compares with the XC for durability ... it seems to put out the same power. I am guessing its a bit thirstier. Weight the same. Husky better suspension out of the box. Bu they seem pretty rare. In the UK at least there are no 2010 (the FI ones) 610s for sale AT ALL.
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:16 AM   #980
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Love your ride reports Walter.. I have been considering getting rid of my R1200GSA for a X-challenge/country for the last couple of years since I started reading your adventures.. The ride up to 21,000 feet was the final straw for my buying my 570. Hoping to do the TAT on the 570 next year... keep up the great work, and come up with some cool mods for the 570 you seem to have a lot of influence on folks making these bikes adventure worthy.
We we are talking with a guy who has built fuel and fairing solutions for his Dakar bike ... trying to make him understand there is a big market for his products for adventure riders ... if he makes the prices sensible. At the moment he wants Dakar style prices for the stuff, and I think its quite unrealistic. Reality is if he doesnt lower the prices, he will sell none. If he does lower the prices he could sell 50 sets or more.

No-one needs 570 rally parts anymore. The bike is superseded now with a new series. His only market is the adventure market. But he isnt a businessman, so if he doesnt get it, he doesnt get it and theres nothing we can do.
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:46 AM   #981
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Dont know it that well, so my opinions are subject to being wrong :). But you mentioned earlier its a rotax engine too ... as far as I know that is not correct. Its also about the same weight as the XC. As the FI wasnt calibrated by BMW then (Mikuni from memory) I am guessing its thirstier than the XC. It doesnt sound like a bad choice of bike ... but you will need to sort out fuel and luggage solutions, cause I am unaware of any on the market.
I had high hopes fpr the new Husky TR650 as it uses the same engine as the X challenge but it a bit "soft core" on the suspension side of things
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:59 PM   #982
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I had high hopes fpr the new Husky TR650 as it uses the same engine as the X challenge but it a bit "soft core" on the suspension side of things
At the end of the day its a BMW ... even their High Performance (HP2) bikes have appalling suspension. So you sure as hell cant hope for anything on their average bikes. If you buy a BMW bike, you are buying the engine ... You are somehow supposed to know you need to have a complete suspension revamp if you want to do anything off road. With the new Husky, changing from 190 to 250 - 300mm suspension travel with good quality forks and shock is the FIRST thing I would do (bet the rims are utter crap too).

Its a complete marketing philosophy - they have worked out that the average buyer will orgasm in his / her shorts over 5 more hp, or slick new tweaked plastic panels, but they dont give a flying fu@k about good suspension. And BMW is right. Thats exactly what the average buyer is like and why BMW are one of the very few motorcycle manufacturers doing OK in the crisis.

KTM is learning ... KTM adv bikes these days have much smoother more economical and more powerful engines, and the suspension on their adv bikes is getting crappier and crappier. The wheels on the late model 640 adventure, 950/990 adventure bikes are also terrible. KTM learned the hard way that if you want to sell adventure bikes, forget about the adventure components, and just focus on putting a good road engine and gearbox in the bike if you want to sell numbers. When they started making adventure bikes 15 years or so ago, they used top of the range 50mm WP Extreme forks in their 620 Adventure - with DLC coated tubes. Same forks they ran in the Dakar. Now the adventure bikes get the lowest level of forks to come out of the WP factory down the road. The cheapest, simplest forks in the range. In 15 years KTM adventure bikes have gone from having the best suspension they could possibly get, to the worst. Cause now they know ... for 98% of buyers, it just doesnt matter.

And if you are in the 2% that care, then you get your wallet out again ... whether you ride a KTM or a BMW or whatever.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:41 PM   #983
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Day 40 - still damn hot

while Terry and Rod in the background worked on their bikes:



Including a bit of fuel blowing":



Prutser was in decent shape:



and Beamster was ready to go:

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Old 12-02-2012, 01:47 PM   #984
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At the end of the day its a BMW ... even their High Performance (HP2) bikes have appalling suspension. So you sure as hell cant hope for anything on their average bikes. If you buy a BMW bike, you are buying the engine ... You are somehow supposed to know you need to have a complete suspension revamp if you want to do anything off road. With the new Husky, changing from 190 to 250 - 300mm suspension travel with good quality forks and shock is the FIRST thing I would do (bet the rims are utter crap too).

Its a complete marketing philosophy - they have worked out that the average buyer will orgasm in his / her shorts over 5 more hp, or slick new tweaked plastic panels, but they dont give a flying fu@k about good suspension. And BMW is right. Thats exactly what the average buyer is like and why BMW are one of the very few motorcycle manufacturers doing OK in the crisis.

KTM is learning ... KTM adv bikes these days have much smoother more economical and more powerful engines, and the suspension on their adv bikes is getting crappier and crappier. The wheels on the late model 640 adventure, 950/990 adventure bikes are also terrible. KTM learned the hard way that if you want to sell adventure bikes, forget about the adventure components, and just focus on putting a good road engine and gearbox in the bike if you want to sell numbers. When they started making adventure bikes 15 years or so ago, they used top of the range 50mm WP Extreme forks in their 620 Adventure - with DLC coated tubes. Same forks they ran in the Dakar. Now the adventure bikes get the lowest level of forks to come out of the WP factory down the road. The cheapest, simplest forks in the range. In 15 years KTM adventure bikes have gone from having the best suspension they could possibly get, to the worst. Cause now they know ... for 98% of buyers, it just doesnt matter.

And if you are in the 2% that care, then you get your wallet out again ... whether you ride a KTM or a BMW or whatever.

I agree in!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:56 PM   #985
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Day 40 - Katoom down

We continued for while on this road which alternated between gravel and old asphalt, until the heat killed the KTM.



We waited the usual 15 mins for it to sort itself, but the bike still wouldnt run.



Prutser got out his towing rope ...



Terry on the X Country took up the towing duties:



And would be towing the KTM for much of the rest of the day. There were patches and windows when the KTM ran under its own steam, but they were no longer predictable to us. We thought letting the fuel pump rest for 15 minutes was solving the problem, as it had for the first day and a half, but now the KTM wasnt even playing by those rules.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:57 PM   #986
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KTM is learning ... KTM adv bikes these days have much smoother more economical and more powerful engines, and the suspension on their adv bikes is getting crappier and crappier. The wheels on the late model 640 adventure, 950/990 adventure bikes are also terrible. KTM learned the hard way that if you want to sell adventure bikes, forget about the adventure components, and just focus on putting a good road engine and gearbox in the bike if you want to sell numbers. When they started making adventure bikes 15 years or so ago, they used top of the range 50mm WP Extreme forks in their 620 Adventure - with DLC coated tubes. Same forks they ran in the Dakar. Now the adventure bikes get the lowest level of forks to come out of the WP factory down the road. The cheapest, simplest forks in the range. In 15 years KTM adventure bikes have gone from having the best suspension they could possibly get, to the worst. Cause now they know ... for 98% of buyers, it just doesnt matter.
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Walter is absolutely right. The suspension on my old 2K4 ( SORRY....'04) 625 SXC is way better than my 690E. The 690s a better road bike but out of the box, not as off-road capable as the older models. Despite me fitting a shorter but stiffer rear spring to make the front end work, it's pretty hopeless and very sticky. It's something I thought would be OK and would ease off, alas it didn't...... but before my next trip I'll have the front end rebuilt by a reputable suspension team.
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Walter is absolutely right. The suspension on my old 2K4 ( SORRY....'04) 625 SXC is way better than my 690E. The 690s a better road bike but out of the box, not as off-road capable as the older models. Despite me fitting a shorter but stiffer rear spring to make the front end work, it's pretty hopeless and very sticky. It's something I thought would be OK and would ease off, alas it didn't...... but before my next trip I'll have the front end rebuilt by a reputable suspension team.
Yes I should have added that in ... the 690 seems to be bunched in with the adventure bikes when it comes to suspension at the KTM design works. They have the crummiest forks WP make for KTM. There are plenty of guys with 690s who have changed their forks to proper EXC forks or the twin chamber forks or even the cone valve forks.

There's a bit of a myth out there that if you buy a KTM then the suspension is good out of the box .... well it used to be like that. Now (especially for non competition bikes) they are no different from BMW in saving every cent they can on suspension and wheels. Even if you spend GBP 30k for a brand new 450 Rally Replica, you are going to change the OEM forks to cone valve forks or extreme forks straight out of the box before you take it racing. A model or two ago, when you bought a Rally Replica, you got top of the line forks in it. Not any more. You're getting mid tier forks now as OEM equipment on your top of the line racing machine.
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Old 12-02-2012, 02:30 PM   #988
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I was figuring out if my KTM EXC 500 would do a good adventure bike for such a trip (I do speak Russian and do want to got for it 2014).
Stock suspension fine, 20-Liter Acerbis tank, Coyote 30l U-Shaped saddlebags and minimalistic luggage should be the basis (+saddle upgrade, gear Ratio, rear hub, etc, etc).
Basically same Motor as the Husaberg FE501, and mapping can probably be set to match conditions (low consumption, various gasoline quality).
I am however a bit concerned on the water crossings, since quite difficult to make the airbox really water tight: ok for a few seconds of deep water, but about navigating for a while in a 80cm+ deep lake ???
I think the motor would hold the distance, Ive seen some EXC with 50.000km on first engine.
Another advantage is the kick starter.

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Old 12-02-2012, 02:54 PM   #989
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Thumb Hey Colebatch Great RR like Always

And for the bike how about the Old but reliable Africa Twin or the new Tenere 660, I will love if honda make the AT again the honda bikes have been the most reliable bike I ever have, now have 990 Adventure and l really like the suspension and the HP but is very thirsty

BTW you video is the first one i have ever see complete without get sick for moving the helmet camera too fast to the the sides, nice job waiting for another one
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:41 PM   #990
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you guys missed the point. their PANTS didn't breathe, not their underclothes.

Fossilator got what I was talking about in his post # 977. Looks like we`re heading for a killer summer in Australia this year, so I'll be trawling the Cool Max and Helly Hansen sites to get some of their stuff.

One thing I won't be doing is wearing lighter clothing, after surviving what could have been a fatal crash a few months ago with "only' a broken fibula and shoulder damage. I was wearing a BMW Rallye2 suit and Oxtar Infinity boots; good gear.

Speaking of suspensions: What does Prutsers bike have holding each end up?
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