Yooperbikemike's 2013 MotoGP Thread - Page 37

Pantah · 12-07-2012, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kropotkin

There were no visual clues that the two bikes were any different. Lorenzo was clearly the lead rider, and got the new stuff maybe one race earlier. But basically, Lorenzo and Spies were on the same bike.

Spies was well aware of the media speculation that Rossi could make a return, but his decision was a general dissatisfaction with the way he was being treated by Yamaha. His set up was very different from the other Yamaha riders, and Yamaha were trying to get him to use something similar to Lorenzo, Crutchlow and Dovizioso, but he didn't want to do that. The last straw came at Mugello, where he raced with severe food poisoning and then skipped the test. While he was ill, a 'senior Japanese executive' came and told him that if he wasn't going to give 100%, he needn't bother turning up at Laguna. I suspect it was meant to motivate him, but all it did is make him decide announce he would leave Yamaha via social media.

That is exactly the way I read it. Yamaha leadership insulted him so he quit them. Of course it wasn't that much of a leap for him, knowing that Rossi was coming back in some way.

Ben has demonstrated himself to be a pretty strong character and supremely confident. Such an insult by a faceless management type was incredulous. I mean, it's not like Ben wasn't trying. Seemed like he crashed in at least one session every round he attempted,,, and sometimes twice!

Silver · 12-07-2012, 06:39 AM

Also the amount of mechanical failures and bad luck spies had was incredible.

crofrog · 12-07-2012, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver

Also the amount of mechanical failures and bad luck spies had was incredible.

Which makes it hard for me to believe he was really getting his best from his team. It wasn't even surprising when his bike broke...

mike54 · 12-07-2012, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kropotkin

There were no visual clues that the two bikes were any different. Lorenzo was clearly the lead rider, and got the new stuff maybe one race earlier. But basically, Lorenzo and Spies were on the same bike.

Spies was well aware of the media speculation that Rossi could make a return, but his decision was a general dissatisfaction with the way he was being treated by Yamaha. His set up was very different from the other Yamaha riders, and Yamaha were trying to get him to use something similar to Lorenzo, Crutchlow and Dovizioso, but he didn't want to do that. The last straw came at Mugello, where he raced with severe food poisoning and then skipped the test. While he was ill, a 'senior Japanese executive' came and told him that if he wasn't going to give 100%, he needn't bother turning up at Laguna. I suspect it was meant to motivate him, but all it did is make him decide announce he would leave Yamaha via social media.

I remember Nicky saying it was hard to get Honda to adjust the handle bars when he was there. I would assume he has no such problems at Ducati. That may be a factor in why Ben decided to go there, Junior team or not. On the other hand it seems that they weren't listening to Rossi's suggestions.

mdubya · 12-07-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mike54

On the other hand it seems that they weren't listening to Rossi's suggestions.

I think there may be some truth to that, but I also think the Audi deal put the brakes on ALL development until the deal could be finished and approved, which took many months.

Ben has said that the bike they are bringing to Sepang in February should be all new. Time will tell.

ORIF · 12-07-2012, 11:37 AM

I am a big Spies fan and was disappointed with his results last year. I witnessed all of the bad luck, mechanicals, and mistakes.

The bottom line is that he completely failed at what previous racers have said is Rule #1:

"First Beat Your Teammate".

Lorenzo destroyed him in all aspects of measure.

Lorenzo also beat his teammate Rossi.

Lorenzo may not be as outwardly aggressive as Mladin, but he may be mentally tougher.

Oh how I would have loved to see Lorenzo and Stoner on the same team!

Pecha72 · 12-07-2012, 11:44 AM

Ducati nailed it in -07, but they're going downhill ever since, and not able to turn the ship. Now it's factory prototypes trying not to be ashamed by CRT's, really a sad joke. Much as I'd like to see Nicky, Ben and others do well, its kinda hard to believe, that the big picture is all of a sudden changing.

mike54 · 12-07-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ORIF

Oh how I would have loved to see Lorenzo and Stoner on the same team!

So would honda.

wbedient · 12-07-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver

Also the amount of mechanical failures and bad luck spies had was incredible.

No kidding! I'd like to see what he is capable of when things go his way. Lets hope for better luck this season, and a Duc that isn't a dog.

mike54 · 12-07-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pecha72

Ducati nailed it in -07, but they're going downhill ever since, and not able to turn the ship. Now it's factory prototypes trying not to be ashamed by CRT's, really a sad joke. Much as I'd like to see Nicky, Ben and others do well, its kinda hard to believe, that the big picture is all of a sudden changing.

So you don't believe Audi is the knight in shining armor?

I beleive you're right. And as dissapointing as it is to me, I believe this is likely Nicky's last year on a factory bike.

ErikY. · 12-07-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mike54

So you don't believe Audi is the knight in shining armor?

.

It just might be! But it will take a few years unless some miracle happens.

Kropotkin · 12-07-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mike54

On the other hand it seems that they weren't listening to Rossi's suggestions.

They weren't listening to Stoner either, which is why he left. It's their MO.

Silver · 12-07-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ORIF

I am a big Spies fan and was disappointed with his results last year. I witnessed all of the bad luck, mechanicals, and mistakes.

The bottom line is that he completely failed at what previous racers have said is Rule #1:

"First Beat Your Teammate".

Yeah but that's pretty hard to do when you have THAT much bad luck. I mean really so much bad luck that people were betting on what's going to go wrong next. Did he make some mistakes yes, that one race he started leading he got excited and binned it. In the other stuff though that's just not the same as him not trying, that's just what the hell type of stuff. Cards were not stacked in his favor at all and I would say 80% of last season was not his fault at all. Hopefully Audi will turn some stuff around and they'll get back to being competitive.

We'll see.

Pantah · 12-07-2012, 06:05 PM

drivel. go clean yourself up...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ORIF

I am a big Spies fan and was disappointed with his results last year. I witnessed all of the bad luck, mechanicals, and mistakes.

The bottom line is that he completely failed at what previous racers have said is Rule #1:

"First Beat Your Teammate".

Lorenzo destroyed him in all aspects of measure.

Lorenzo also beat his teammate Rossi.

Lorenzo may not be as outwardly aggressive as Mladin, but he may be mentally tougher.

Oh how I would have loved to see Lorenzo and Stoner on the same team!

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Silver No planning, just go. Joined: Feb 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK. Oddometer: 2,168	Also the amount of mechanical failures and bad luck spies had was incredible.

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ORIF Adventurer Joined: Sep 2006 Oddometer: 48	I am a big Spies fan and was disappointed with his results last year. I witnessed all of the bad luck, mechanicals, and mistakes. The bottom line is that he completely failed at what previous racers have said is Rule #1: "First Beat Your Teammate". Lorenzo destroyed him in all aspects of measure. Lorenzo also beat his teammate Rossi. Lorenzo may not be as outwardly aggressive as Mladin, but he may be mentally tougher. Oh how I would have loved to see Lorenzo and Stoner on the same team!

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Pecha72 Beastly Adventurer Joined: May 2008 Location: Helsinki, Finland Oddometer: 1,325	Ducati nailed it in -07, but they're going downhill ever since, and not able to turn the ship. Now it's factory prototypes trying not to be ashamed by CRT's, really a sad joke. Much as I'd like to see Nicky, Ben and others do well, its kinda hard to believe, that the big picture is all of a sudden changing.