Yooperbikemike's 2013 MotoGP Thread - Page 42

wbedient · 12-12-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kropotkin

all that chart shows is who has been in the class the longest.

Average points per start does a good job of addressing that, since its an average.

I think its a useful chart, especially during silly season.

Lurky-Loo · 12-13-2012, 09:45 AM

Wow, talk about pressure. Nakamoto had said that he expects Marquez to be on the podium at Qatar, now he expects him to win several races.

Basically, he's expecting him to be as good or better than Lorenzo and Pedrosa were in their rookie years.

We shall see.

KHVol · 12-13-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RichBeBe

Interesting but the only one that counts is "average points per start" and honestly that is not even possible to compare. You have to compare avg. points per start when all four started."
IMO Rossi did not have the same level on competition for a few years so he should be higher than he is. Therefore it makes Jorge even more impressive as the leader of the aliens.

Averages are useful as a quick and dirty .....but...not always correct ..the average US family has 1.86 children, but have you ever seen .86 of a child walking around ?

DogBoy · 12-13-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KHVol

...have you ever seen .86 of a child walking around ?

Physically or mentally?

RichBeBe · 12-13-2012, 04:55 PM

It is simple to see why that stat is useless.
Rossi raced with none of the aliens from 2000-2005
Pedrosa and Stoner joined the fray from 2006-2008 and the three challenged each other
Then Lorenzo joined in 08 and we had four aliens.
I am not going to do the research but if we had an a average from 08-12 then we may have something.

wbedient · 12-13-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RichBeBe

It is simple to see why that stat is useless.
Rossi raced with none of the aliens from 2000-2005
Pedrosa and Stoner joined the fray from 2006-2008 and the three challenged each other
Then Lorenzo joined in 08 and we had four aliens.
I am not going to do the research but if we had an a average from 08-12 then we may have something.

True. BUT:

Lorenzo has the highest points per start average AND he had all the aliens to contend with, the whole time.

You can make the excuse that Rossi was on the lame Duc, but Stoner won on it.

RichBeBe · 12-13-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wbedient

True. BUT:

Lorenzo has the highest points per start average AND he had all the aliens to contend with, the whole time.

You can make the excuse that Rossi was on the lame Duc, but Stoner won on it.

Not arguing with either. Honestly Lorenzo who I am not a fan of is likely the top alien all things being considered.

Clem Kevin · 12-13-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RichBeBe

It is simple to see why that stat is useless.
Rossi raced with none of the aliens from 2000-2005
Pedrosa and Stoner joined the fray from 2006-2008 and the three challenged each other
Then Lorenzo joined in 08 and we had four aliens.
I am not going to do the research but if we had an a average from 08-12 then we may have something.

So I take it you're not an alien if you won a race before 2006?

wbedient · 12-13-2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RichBeBe

Not arguing with either. Honestly Lorenzo who I am not a fan of is likely the top alien all things being considered.

Not a fan of his either. Very technical, but also kinda boring... er... not very exciting?

Can't deny his record though.

Mighty Kentor · 12-14-2012, 12:01 AM

My biggest critique of Lorenzo, is that he doesn't really seem to enjoy his achievements.

Oh yes, he celebrates, but it seems hollow somehow. He waves his arms, jumps around and pumps his fist, but it always seems overly contrived or hollow.

I've tried to cheer for him, but something always leaves me feeling flat. He's missing the "it" factor that other riders have hooked me with over the past few decades.

Pecha72 · 12-14-2012, 12:35 AM

If Rossi is within striking distance to Lorenzo, 2013 is gonna be epic. Oh, but there's the other "if", that they both stay healthy. 2010 was already shaping up an epic season, then Rossi broke the leg.

The most memorable races from the 800 era, for some reason Rossi is almost always there in the fight. Dunno why "the others" don't create the same level of entertainment. This year Lorenzo&Pedrosa did produce a few good duels, though.

K0m4 · 12-14-2012, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by yooperbikemike

Suzuki to participate in official tests in '13?

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Originally Posted by Pecha72

The most memorable races from the 800 era, for some reason Rossi is almost always there in the fight. Dunno why "the others" don't create the same level of entertainment. This year Lorenzo&Pedrosa did produce a few good duels, though.

Quite true. And another reason stats don't tell the whole story..

Codewheeney · 12-14-2012, 08:33 AM

Krop's MotoMatters won an award at the Silverstone Media Awards.

Well done, K, congrats!

JC

Mr Head · 12-14-2012, 08:45 AM

+1

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Originally Posted by Codewheeney

Krop's MotoMatters won an award at the Silverstone Media Awards.

Well done, K, congrats!

JC

some call me...tim · 12-14-2012, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mighty Kentor

My biggest critique of Lorenzo, is that he doesn't really seem to enjoy his achievements.

Oh yes, he celebrates, but it seems hollow somehow. He waves his arms, jumps around and pumps his fist, but it always seems overly contrived or hollow.

I've tried to cheer for him, but something always leaves me feeling flat. He's missing the "it" factor that other riders have hooked me with over the past few decades.

I got a laugh while watching the Phillip Island race where the big news was that it was Stoner's last race on his home turf. Everybody was cheering on Stoner for a goodbye, as well as him winning the race by a mile. The second big news was Lorenzo officially clenching the 2012 title after Dani crashed out, but nobody seemed to care besides him. At the awards ceremony, when the riders were ready to spray each other down with champagne, Casey and Cal kind of looked at each other like "Where the fuck did Jorge go?" And the camera panned down to the paddock where Lorenzo was trying to stage his own celebration party. It seemed to mostly consist of his crew, and even they seemed like they were only excited because they were supposed to be.

I don't have anything against Lorenzo, but he doesn't really excite me either. Lorenzo is like the Al Gore of MotoGP--all the credentials are there, but he's got no personality to back them up.

12-13-2012, 04:55 PM	#620
RichBeBe All Hail Seitan!!! Joined: Mar 2004 Location: NYC Oddometer: 5,562	It is simple to see why that stat is useless. Rossi raced with none of the aliens from 2000-2005 Pedrosa and Stoner joined the fray from 2006-2008 and the three challenged each other Then Lorenzo joined in 08 and we had four aliens. I am not going to do the research but if we had an a average from 08-12 then we may have something. __________________ "Remember that an enduro tests the endurance of three things: your machine, your body, and your wits. Only one has to fail to keep you from reaching the finish line." Cycle World March 1966

12-14-2012, 12:01 AM	#625
Mighty Kentor Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2005 Location: Mission, BC Oddometer: 148	My biggest critique of Lorenzo, is that he doesn't really seem to enjoy his achievements. Oh yes, he celebrates, but it seems hollow somehow. He waves his arms, jumps around and pumps his fist, but it always seems overly contrived or hollow. I've tried to cheer for him, but something always leaves me feeling flat. He's missing the "it" factor that other riders have hooked me with over the past few decades. __________________ It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.

12-14-2012, 08:33 AM	#628
Codewheeney Hoopy Frood Joined: May 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA Oddometer: 2,333	Krop's MotoMatters won an award at the Silverstone Media Awards. Well done, K, congrats! JC __________________ Jim Morgan Hill, CA - 2013 R1200GS (Cam head), 2004 R1150GS. Plays in traffic.

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12-13-2012, 09:45 AM	#617
Lurky-Loo Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2009 Oddometer: 396	Wow, talk about pressure. Nakamoto had said that he expects Marquez to be on the podium at Qatar, now he expects him to win several races. Basically, he's expecting him to be as good or better than Lorenzo and Pedrosa were in their rookie years. We shall see.

12-14-2012, 12:35 AM	#626
Pecha72 Beastly Adventurer Joined: May 2008 Location: Helsinki, Finland Oddometer: 1,324	If Rossi is within striking distance to Lorenzo, 2013 is gonna be epic. Oh, but there's the other "if", that they both stay healthy. 2010 was already shaping up an epic season, then Rossi broke the leg. The most memorable races from the 800 era, for some reason Rossi is almost always there in the fight. Dunno why "the others" don't create the same level of entertainment. This year Lorenzo&Pedrosa did produce a few good duels, though.