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Old 12-08-2012, 03:05 PM   #151
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That's for posting that Jeff, I hadn't seen it. Seems really odd coming from the Gazette given their anti-OHV slant of years past but it's excellent news! Not that it'll make a damn bit of difference but it is good to see that someone, somewhere, understands we're not the rapers and pillagers of wildlife as we're often depicted.
You've got that backwards. It's the Boulder people who are always trying to close off public land to anyone but granola crunching, sandal wearing, dope smoking hikers. The "evil conservatives" of C/S are the ones supporting public land for public use.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:54 PM   #152
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Great riding today at the Captain. Lots of responsible riders out there getting their last ride in, some from this thread. I think Big_John got a few photos of the Closed sign and the piece of paper saying that it officially closes the 10th.

The white sign up that says NO MOTORIZED already confused some people. Sure enough like I mentioned 3 guys unloaded, geared up and halted at the white sign and were stumped...Hopefully the weather/snow moves in and closes it down by natural means.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:44 PM   #153
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My understanding is the fish doesn't live in the section we ride. It lives farther down the drainage, but the CBD believes our sediment washes down the stream to where the fish live.

Thank god it never rains in that area and there is no flood runoff and of course there are no herds of elk crossing the creek either , it must indeed be a special place to have a clear creek all year with no runoff.
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:12 PM   #154
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I think he means compared to how long if ever they replace signage.

However its a court ruling of when.

Exactly. I have seen trails wait for months or longer for appropriate signage...but a closure comes out and its "Warp factor 9 Scotty"!
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:34 PM   #155
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Did they ever get the correct "open to motorcycles" sign up on the trailhead at Spring Creek pass down by Creede yet? I think we've been waiting for a sticker there for years now.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:37 PM   #156
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I think the "Open to MC" stickers are on perminant backorder!

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Old 12-09-2012, 07:37 PM   #157
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Did they ever get the correct "open to motorcycles" sign up on the trailhead at Spring Creek pass down by Creede yet? I think we've been waiting for a sticker there for years now.
Not as of the end of October. They did agree to give me one to put on the carsonite marker next time I am up there though.
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:48 PM   #158
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Just a a friendly warning. Today, game cameras have been placed at several trail locations effected by this closure. Also starting today, photos of vehicles and license plates are being taken at trail heads night and day and will be shared with law enforcement as appropriate. Any photos from the game cameras placed on the trails will also be provided to law enforcement entities. I put this out there as a person that drove for closure of this trail system but also as one that doesn't want to see anyone pay the large fines (up to $10,000) or do the jail time (6 mo.) associated with violating the closure order.

This closure should be taken as an opportunity to move this trail to more sustainable ground. If that can become the focus it will be a win win... Even Ned Sussie from CMTRA agrees the current trail is not sustainable (see csindy article). Lets focus our efforts on getting a positive result for everyone involved rather that name calling and threats.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:11 PM   #159
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Just a a friendly warning. Today, game cameras have been placed at several trail locations effected by this closure. Also starting today, photos of vehicles and license plates are being taken at trail heads night and day and will be shared with law enforcement as appropriate. Any photos from the game cameras placed on the trails will also be provided to law enforcement entities. I put this out there as a person that drove for closure of this trail system but also as one that doesn't want to see anyone pay the large fines (up to $10,000) or do the jail time (6 mo.) associated with violating the closure order.

This closure should be taken as an opportunity to move this trail to more sustainable ground. If that can become the focus it will be a win win... Even Ned Sussie from CMTRA agrees the current trail is not sustainable (see csindy article). Lets focus our efforts on getting a positive result for everyone involved rather that name calling and threats.
Whats the fine for fishing

So are you the owner of said cameras. If so
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:22 PM   #160
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Just a a friendly warning. Today, game cameras have been placed at several trail locations effected by this closure. Also starting today, photos of vehicles and license plates are being taken at trail heads night and day and will be shared with law enforcement as appropriate. Any photos from the game cameras placed on the trails will also be provided to law enforcement entities. I put this out there as a person that drove for closure of this trail system but also as one that doesn't want to see anyone pay the large fines (up to $10,000) or do the jail time (6 mo.) associated with violating the closure order.

This closure should be taken as an opportunity to move this trail to more sustainable ground. If that can become the focus it will be a win win... Even Ned Sussie from CMTRA agrees the current trail is not sustainable (see csindy article). Lets focus our efforts on getting a positive result for everyone involved rather that name calling and threats.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:24 PM   #161
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Gotta love all the first time posts in this thread.

Game cameras? It's a shame nobody knows how to locate those in about five seconds flat and remove them from all the poor trees being exploited by the evil trail closing crowd.

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Old 12-13-2012, 07:41 PM   #162
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Gotta love all the first time posts in this thread.

Game cameras? It's a shame nobody knows how to locate those in about five seconds flat and remove them from all the poor trees being exploited by the evil trail closing crowd.

I can't believe JaHun didn't fill out their profile. How are we to know what kind of Moto they ride, or where they like to ride most, or what kind of farkles other than the aforementioned cameras they use? I really hope JaHun didn't go off trail to install equipment and didn't screw anything into any living trees. With any luck we could do a meet and greet to discuss further tactics.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:49 PM   #163
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Don't worry guys. I'm sure JaHun received permission from the forest service to place the cameras, and that the forest service completed a proper impact analysis and followed NEPA before granting permission for a modification like this to be installed.

If not, removing the cameras is simply picking up illegal forest litter.. and should get counted towards volunteer cleanup hours.

Oh.. and such cameras, to be legal, do require a special use permit, including the mapped location of such cameras, which must be made available to any requester via a FoIA request. Again, if not permitted, they're just illegal litter.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:22 PM   #164
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Even Ned Sussie from CMTRA agrees the current trail is not sustainable (see csindy article). Lets focus our efforts on getting a positive result for everyone involved rather that name calling and threats.
Hey dipshit, if you are going to take someone's quote out of context, at least try to spell his name correctly. Ned Suesse

Here is what Ned Really said...

"I'm out of the country and mostly offline, but I have kept up with the general state of things. The settlement is not yet final, but in my opinion, it continues a long line of faulty reasoning. However, I am somewhat optimistic that it will open the door to a proper study of the watershed that can conclude with a responsible decision.

The facts show that the large majority of sedimentation from a trail owes to the existence of the trail, not its use. So, if the trail is unsustainable for motorized use, it is most likely also unsustainable for non-motorized use- anyone who has been in the watershed during a rainstorm can see how that works. So, closing the trail to motorized use does not represent a solution to sedimentation in the stream, and this settlement does not represent a solution for the trout."

http://www.csindy.com/IndyBlog/archi...-captain-jacks
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:32 AM   #165
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Just a a friendly warning...I put this out there as a person that drove for closure of this trail system....
Not worth quoting again.

That's rich

Deliberately mis-quoting someone out of context, skewing the facts, trying to cover up threats with a curtain of helpfulness, attempting to play the name dropping game (and pissing in the wind by mis-spelling said name ), not shying away from un-truth or out right lies to get a foot in the door to achieve their goals to close not just this one, but all trails to ohv...

I don't know about you guys, but I'd much prefer it if people like this would start to focus on facts and reality instead of deliberately skewed quotes and thinly veiled threats.

But you have to get a good laugh every once in a while at something I suppose, even if it's at someone making a complete fool of themselves
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