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Old 12-12-2012, 05:54 PM   #616
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all that chart shows is who has been in the class the longest.

Average points per start does a good job of addressing that, since its an average.

I think its a useful chart, especially during silly season.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:45 AM   #617
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Wow, talk about pressure. Nakamoto had said that he expects Marquez to be on the podium at Qatar, now he expects him to win several races.

Basically, he's expecting him to be as good or better than Lorenzo and Pedrosa were in their rookie years.

We shall see.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:14 PM   #618
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Interesting but the only one that counts is "average points per start" and honestly that is not even possible to compare. You have to compare avg. points per start when all four started."
IMO Rossi did not have the same level on competition for a few years so he should be higher than he is. Therefore it makes Jorge even more impressive as the leader of the aliens.
Averages are useful as a quick and dirty .....but...not always correct ..the average US family has 1.86 children, but have you ever seen .86 of a child walking around ?
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:25 PM   #619
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...have you ever seen .86 of a child walking around ?
Physically or mentally?
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:55 PM   #620
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It is simple to see why that stat is useless.
Rossi raced with none of the aliens from 2000-2005
Pedrosa and Stoner joined the fray from 2006-2008 and the three challenged each other
Then Lorenzo joined in 08 and we had four aliens.
I am not going to do the research but if we had an a average from 08-12 then we may have something.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:10 PM   #621
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It is simple to see why that stat is useless.
Rossi raced with none of the aliens from 2000-2005
Pedrosa and Stoner joined the fray from 2006-2008 and the three challenged each other
Then Lorenzo joined in 08 and we had four aliens.
I am not going to do the research but if we had an a average from 08-12 then we may have something.
True. BUT:

Lorenzo has the highest points per start average AND he had all the aliens to contend with, the whole time.

You can make the excuse that Rossi was on the lame Duc, but Stoner won on it.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:24 PM   #622
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True. BUT:

Lorenzo has the highest points per start average AND he had all the aliens to contend with, the whole time.

You can make the excuse that Rossi was on the lame Duc, but Stoner won on it.
Not arguing with either. Honestly Lorenzo who I am not a fan of is likely the top alien all things being considered.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:39 PM   #623
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It is simple to see why that stat is useless.
Rossi raced with none of the aliens from 2000-2005
Pedrosa and Stoner joined the fray from 2006-2008 and the three challenged each other
Then Lorenzo joined in 08 and we had four aliens.
I am not going to do the research but if we had an a average from 08-12 then we may have something.
So I take it you're not an alien if you won a race before 2006?
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:25 PM   #624
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Not arguing with either. Honestly Lorenzo who I am not a fan of is likely the top alien all things being considered.
Not a fan of his either. Very technical, but also kinda boring... er... not very exciting?

Can't deny his record though.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:01 AM   #625
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My biggest critique of Lorenzo, is that he doesn't really seem to enjoy his achievements.

Oh yes, he celebrates, but it seems hollow somehow. He waves his arms, jumps around and pumps his fist, but it always seems overly contrived or hollow.

I've tried to cheer for him, but something always leaves me feeling flat. He's missing the "it" factor that other riders have hooked me with over the past few decades.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:35 AM   #626
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If Rossi is within striking distance to Lorenzo, 2013 is gonna be epic. Oh, but there's the other "if", that they both stay healthy. 2010 was already shaping up an epic season, then Rossi broke the leg.

The most memorable races from the 800 era, for some reason Rossi is almost always there in the fight. Dunno why "the others" don't create the same level of entertainment. This year Lorenzo&Pedrosa did produce a few good duels, though.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:44 AM   #627
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The most memorable races from the 800 era, for some reason Rossi is almost always there in the fight. Dunno why "the others" don't create the same level of entertainment. This year Lorenzo&Pedrosa did produce a few good duels, though.
Quite true. And another reason stats don't tell the whole story..
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:33 AM   #628
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Krop's MotoMatters won an award at the Silverstone Media Awards.

Well done, K, congrats!

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Old 12-14-2012, 08:45 AM   #629
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Krop's MotoMatters won an award at the Silverstone Media Awards.

Well done, K, congrats!

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Old 12-14-2012, 09:13 AM   #630
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My biggest critique of Lorenzo, is that he doesn't really seem to enjoy his achievements.

Oh yes, he celebrates, but it seems hollow somehow. He waves his arms, jumps around and pumps his fist, but it always seems overly contrived or hollow.

I've tried to cheer for him, but something always leaves me feeling flat. He's missing the "it" factor that other riders have hooked me with over the past few decades.
I got a laugh while watching the Phillip Island race where the big news was that it was Stoner's last race on his home turf. Everybody was cheering on Stoner for a goodbye, as well as him winning the race by a mile. The second big news was Lorenzo officially clenching the 2012 title after Dani crashed out, but nobody seemed to care besides him. At the awards ceremony, when the riders were ready to spray each other down with champagne, Casey and Cal kind of looked at each other like "Where the fuck did Jorge go?" And the camera panned down to the paddock where Lorenzo was trying to stage his own celebration party. It seemed to mostly consist of his crew, and even they seemed like they were only excited because they were supposed to be.

I don't have anything against Lorenzo, but he doesn't really excite me either. Lorenzo is like the Al Gore of MotoGP--all the credentials are there, but he's got no personality to back them up.
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