The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest - Page 273

Montauk · 12-20-2012, 01:59 AM

As an engineer, when actual data is not available, you try to approximate as close as possible and leave some room for error. In this case I would find the difference in weight of current model 2012 GS/GSA using "dry", and do the same for "wet". Now you have 2 weights. Add 1-2 lbs for ABS (chime in guys if I am wrong in my ABS approximation). We are assuming that GSA gas tank will remain same as current. In the new, they might shave off 1-2 lbs using stronger and lighter plastics. This will cancel with weight added due to ABS. To approximate the wet weight of a new GSA, add the wet difference to new 2013 GS model. So there you have it. Similarly you could approximate dry weight backwards.

Montauk · 12-20-2012, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSMarc

weight is one of the main variable for a bike, specially if you want to go in various environments.

Yes, but it becomes fixed variable, you can't decrease it but will only increase due to farkling etc. No matter which environment you go on the globe, it will remain static. Am I missing something here? Perhaps you are trying to figure out something that we don't know

GSMarc · 12-20-2012, 02:19 AM

main variable for making your choice to buy or not...

Why do you believe I have only HP2...

Montauk · 12-20-2012, 02:40 AM

Specific Gravity of gasoline (petrol) is 0.739 Kg/L multiply with 20L = 14.78 Kg (32.6 lbs) -> weight of gasoline in the GS.
1 US Gal gasoline = 1.629 lbs/L x 3.785 L/US Gal = 6.2 lbs.

Montauk · 12-20-2012, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSMarc

main variable for making your choice to buy or not...

Why do you believe I have only HP2...

Choice is rather clear. Don't buy GS or GSA. It's too heavy to ponder on

GSMarc · 12-20-2012, 03:12 AM

when I had my R1150GS, I remember BMW said :

"The target of our technical staff for the new model is to reduce the weight by 30 kg (66lbs)" and they did.

When they did the HP2E,MM,HP2S the target was to reduce weight too.

I don't understand why the new R1200GS increases its weight again

From my point of view, minus 30 kg again (-66lbs) with 110 Hp as DOHC has now was a better way to go.

oalvarez · 12-20-2012, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSMarc

I don't understand why the new R1200GS increases its weight again

It could be due to a variety of factors.

We know the new GS weighs as much or more than its predecessor in wet form. The thought is as much as 29lbs depending on what option group the new one is being compared to.

Regardless, and as others (EJ?) have mentioned, why not subtract out the weight of the fluids and maybe even the battery to get an idea of the weight measurement you're after?

GSMarc · 12-20-2012, 06:47 AM

Well, I was searching that info for another forum.

The fluid is 26 kg (57lbs) on the DOHC and 2,4 kg(?) for ABS

Dry : 203 kg (447.5lbs)
Fluid : 26 kg (57lbs)
==========
sub-Total 229 kg ready to go (504.5lbs)
ABS : 2,4 kg (?) (5.3lbs)
==========
Total : 231,4 kg (510lbs)

If the press relates 524lbs wet, it means 14 lbs more (about 6.5kg)

I'm not personnaly interrested, I know it will be too heavy for me

Marki_GSA · 12-20-2012, 07:00 AM

BMW used to or still do (can't be bothered to go look) publish both dry and wet on their UK site. They also publish a maximum ladened weight as well.

GSMarc · 12-20-2012, 07:43 AM

Yes, dry weight is present for all the models on all the national websites.

But missing everywhere for the new WC GS

Marki_GSA · 12-20-2012, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSMarc

Yes, dry weight is present for all the models on all the national websites.

But missing everywhere for the new WC GS

Just checked and the UK site has the fully fueled weight on it for the WC. It's 238kg and is in the technical data section.

GSMarc · 12-20-2012, 08:14 AM

yes, I know that.
Dry weight is missing everywhere for WC GS, not wet (ready to ride) weight

oalvarez · 12-20-2012, 08:28 AM

ok, excellent....onto the next.

cug · 12-20-2012, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSMarc

I'm not personnaly interrested, I know it will be too heavy for me

You know, it's kind of useless to discuss raw numbers that way. The 2006 V-Strom DL650 I had weighed probably 30lbs less than the 2010 R1200GS and it felt like it was about half a ton heavier ... and then again, the Super Tenere 1200 is about 40 to 50lbs or so heavier than a standard GS (both standard trim, no farkles), and still feels smaller and and possibly even lighter.

It's not only about the weight, it's also where and how it's carried.

Dorsicano · 12-20-2012, 09:21 AM

a few of us are all obsessed about the pounds on our bikes and tend to disregards the pounds on our waist.

I could buy a 238 Kg GS LC and lose 5 Kg myself and the net result would be same as old GS and current me.

12-20-2012, 02:19 AM	#4083
GSMarc Studly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2004 Oddometer: 723	main variable for making your choice to buy or not... Why do you believe I have only HP2... __________________ GSMarc from BELGIUM 2008 HP2/MM ABS 2008 HP2/MM 2005 HP2E 2000 R1150GS (sold)

12-20-2012, 03:12 AM	#4086
GSMarc Studly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2004 Oddometer: 723	when I had my R1150GS, I remember BMW said : "The target of our technical staff for the new model is to reduce the weight by 30 kg (66lbs)" and they did. When they did the HP2E,MM,HP2S the target was to reduce weight too. I don't understand why the new R1200GS increases its weight again From my point of view, minus 30 kg again (-66lbs) with 110 Hp as DOHC has now was a better way to go. __________________ GSMarc from BELGIUM 2008 HP2/MM ABS 2008 HP2/MM 2005 HP2E 2000 R1150GS (sold)

12-20-2012, 06:47 AM	#4088
GSMarc Studly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2004 Oddometer: 723	Well, I was searching that info for another forum. The fluid is 26 kg (57lbs) on the DOHC and 2,4 kg(?) for ABS Dry : 203 kg (447.5lbs) Fluid : 26 kg (57lbs) ========== sub-Total 229 kg ready to go (504.5lbs) ABS : 2,4 kg (?) (5.3lbs) ========== Total : 231,4 kg (510lbs) If the press relates 524lbs wet, it means 14 lbs more (about 6.5kg) I'm not personnaly interrested, I know it will be too heavy for me __________________ GSMarc from BELGIUM 2008 HP2/MM ABS 2008 HP2/MM 2005 HP2E 2000 R1150GS (sold) GSMarc screwed with this post 12-20-2012 at 06:55 AM

12-20-2012, 07:43 AM	#4090
GSMarc Studly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2004 Oddometer: 723	Yes, dry weight is present for all the models on all the national websites. But missing everywhere for the new WC GS __________________ GSMarc from BELGIUM 2008 HP2/MM ABS 2008 HP2/MM 2005 HP2E 2000 R1150GS (sold)

12-20-2012, 08:14 AM	#4092
GSMarc Studly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2004 Oddometer: 723	yes, I know that. Dry weight is missing everywhere for WC GS, not wet (ready to ride) weight __________________ GSMarc from BELGIUM 2008 HP2/MM ABS 2008 HP2/MM 2005 HP2E 2000 R1150GS (sold)

12-20-2012, 01:59 AM	#4081
Montauk Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2007 Location: Fruit County in Golden State, USA Oddometer: 260	As an engineer, when actual data is not available, you try to approximate as close as possible and leave some room for error. In this case I would find the difference in weight of current model 2012 GS/GSA using "dry", and do the same for "wet". Now you have 2 weights. Add 1-2 lbs for ABS (chime in guys if I am wrong in my ABS approximation). We are assuming that GSA gas tank will remain same as current. In the new, they might shave off 1-2 lbs using stronger and lighter plastics. This will cancel with weight added due to ABS. To approximate the wet weight of a new GSA, add the wet difference to new 2013 GS model. So there you have it. Similarly you could approximate dry weight backwards.

12-20-2012, 02:40 AM	#4084
Montauk Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2007 Location: Fruit County in Golden State, USA Oddometer: 260	Specific Gravity of gasoline (petrol) is 0.739 Kg/L multiply with 20L = 14.78 Kg (32.6 lbs) -> weight of gasoline in the GS. 1 US Gal gasoline = 1.629 lbs/L x 3.785 L/US Gal = 6.2 lbs.

12-20-2012, 07:00 AM	#4089
Marki_GSA Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2011 Location: Scotland Oddometer: 199	BMW used to or still do (can't be bothered to go look) publish both dry and wet on their UK site. They also publish a maximum ladened weight as well.

12-20-2012, 08:28 AM	#4093
oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin Joined: Dec 2007 Location: CA HWY 2 Oddometer: 1,699	ok, excellent....onto the next. __________________ 2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale 2012 Ducati MTS1200St Ti 2003 Aprilia Tuono Racing 2012 Vespa 300 Super past: Ducatis, Aprilias, Moto Guzzis, a Husky, and some BMWs as well.

12-20-2012, 09:21 AM	#4095
Dorsicano ^OP Adventurer Joined: Nov 2010 Location: Grand Duchy Oddometer: 82	a few of us are all obsessed about the pounds on our bikes and tend to disregards the pounds on our waist. I could buy a 238 Kg GS LC and lose 5 Kg myself and the net result would be same as old GS and current me.

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