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Old 12-19-2012, 03:04 PM   #1771
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They have already teased....

...the VFR1200 T.

Just put some taller bars and screen and lower foot pegs and bigger fuel tank on the VFR1200F and viola!!!!

I'd buy one in a nano-second.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:13 PM   #1772
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MR T.



Geez that pic is BIG
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:51 PM   #1773
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MR T.



Geez that pic is BIG
Oh man! That is frickin sweet!
There are a lot of fantastic models coming out and this would really stress me out....
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:43 PM   #1774
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The silly thing is that of the three bikes they have tried to build around that 1200 engine, it is this one ^^^ that makes most sense.

The motor is clearly too heavy to power a sport bike or an adventure tourer. Both are nice in their way but their performance envelope doesn't really match their appearance and ergos.

The version above could be no heavier than class rivals, with exceptional durability, low maintenance, plenty of poke and some character.

Not everybody wants 1650cc and six cylinders.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:04 AM   #1775
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When you consider that most people, myself included, buy adventure tourers for their looks, comfort and prowess on bumpy back roads, the CT fits the bill fine.

It was on my short-list but Honda saw fit to not offer a single demo in the country where it's built!
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:39 AM   #1776
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The silly thing is that of the three bikes they have tried to build around that 1200 engine, it is this one ^^^ that makes most sense.

The motor is clearly too heavy to power a sport bike or an adventure tourer.....
They were going to release that one first but some doofus convinced than that a sports Tourer was the thing to do.

Then someone changed their minds and decided that the Adventure Tourer was the way to go.

Then .......

Anyway an Adventure Tourer is a Tourer that can take a bit or a lot of crap. Luckily we have a good spread of options with different compromises from different manufacturers. The Honda just happens to be more Tour and Less Adventure than some others. The KTM is on the other end. Most people would be wasted on a KTM regardless what they think and they Honda makes more sense. Unless you just want people to think you are rugged and take trips down vertical cliffs on a regular basis.

But that is image not substance. The bike is what it is. You pays your money...It should suit a lot of people in reality.
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Old 12-20-2012, 03:05 AM   #1777
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Yeh. The VFR1200 'T'.

The bike was already announced in 2010 for 2011.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/ne...onda_vfr1200t/

Old news. And because the 'T' is actually the VFR everyone wants, it wont come.
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:29 AM   #1778
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Yes, I have gathered the Crosstourer works notwithstanding the weight.

Has a lot going for it. I like it. And especially for riders who will be mainly on tarmac and never on anything soft. Which is most of them.

Nevertheless, it is IIRC the heaviest adventure tourer out there, with the shortest-travel suspension.

It represents one extreme of the category, on the weight (and in its case, suspension) scale.

As does the VFR1200F.

Whereas the T version pictured might not.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:46 AM   #1779
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wOw, that VFR-1200-T looks beautiful, is this a Honda concept machine or is it going ahead for 2013/14 etc..? Suppose it'll replace the ageing Pan European motorcycle.

Beautiful indeed!!
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:50 PM   #1780
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Honda should run security for the CIA...nobody has a clue what Big Red is doing?
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Old 12-20-2012, 03:44 PM   #1781
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well while the rest of the world manufacturers produce bikes with Monster motors, Honda keeps releasing a PLETHORA of mid sized motor bikes for the USA... who is buying all these 500 and 700cc engined bikes? very confusing...
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:05 PM   #1782
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well while the rest of the world manufacturers produce bikes with Monster motors, Honda keeps releasing a PLETHORA of mid sized motor bikes for the USA... who is buying all these 500 and 700cc engined bikes? very confusing...

The new Honda 500's aren't at dealers yet, but my local dealer has sold every NC700X he could get from Honda. He was able to get a couple more from other dealers to meet his customer requests.
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:11 PM   #1783
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The VFR1200T is, indeed, very old news, but still might be coming.

Supposedly the picture was developed from some Honda patent applications line drawings which first surfaced in 2009. The patent was for including some kind of crushable structure on the front of a motorcycle to reduce crash impact loads for riders - thus, the jutting lower jaw below the headlight.

For awhile, it was supposed that Honda was planning on imminent release of the 1200T, but when it didn't appear, it was assumed Honda has juggled the release dates to get the 1200F and 1200X out first. But this is all rumor, no one really knows.

Bottom line: It might or might not appear, it might or might not look like this picture, and might or might replace the ST1300.

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Old 12-20-2012, 05:32 PM   #1784
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well while the rest of the world manufacturers produce bikes with Monster motors, Honda keeps releasing a PLETHORA of mid sized motor bikes for the USA... who is buying all these 500 and 700cc engined bikes? very confusing...
they are indeed selling for the time because people are not flush at the moment.
i asked my local honda dealer about the crf250L, 700x and the 500s. they said the 1st 2 fly out the door the 2nd they get one and they have deposits on the 1st bunch of 500s that arrive. 5-8K is sweet price point these days to get things sold.

honda sells a boatload of 125s outside the US plus is quickly capturing the mid-market in the US. no other mfg has moved so fast into this segment. i think honda does a ton of r&d and has plenty of bikes developed already depending on the buying mood. these mid-size bikes don't popped out of the oven, honda has been working on them for years.

my guess is the vfr1200T(ST) was done years ago but the timing was not right to sell enough. they'll be expensive and honda will wait till people are flush again to buy them.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:21 PM   #1785
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they are indeed selling for the time because people are not flush at the moment.
i asked my local honda dealer about the crf250L, 700x and the 500s. they said the 1st 2 fly out the door the 2nd they get one and they have deposits on the 1st bunch of 500s that arrive. 5-8K is sweet price point these days to get things sold.

honda sells a boatload of 125s outside the US plus is quickly capturing the mid-market in the US. no other mfg has moved so fast into this segment. i think honda does a ton of r&d and has plenty of bikes developed already depending on the buying mood. these mid-size bikes don't popped out of the oven, honda has been working on them for years.

my guess is the vfr1200T(ST) was done years ago but the timing was not right to sell enough. they'll be expensive and honda will wait till people are flush again to buy them.
I hear ya... but there are so many ST people, they could sell quite a few... and if it's really badass, it would steal RT owners away as well...
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