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Old 12-28-2012, 08:52 PM   #50701
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I think I figured it out. I was not sure which relay to use, but it looks like I can use a 4 pin single pole.

That looks like it will work.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:58 PM   #50702
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Pictures are always easier...
That's a beautiful diagram, Red.

I found this heavy-duty, electronic flasher at NAPA; it only costs $9.49.

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...D12_0335211065



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Old 12-28-2012, 09:01 PM   #50703
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If i was in your shoes I would pick up the Dremel 3000, I have 2 4000s that I have had both repaired twice for burning out the speed controls for a total of 4 failures. The 3000 might get a bit hot running at low rpm or a large flap wheel but keeps asking me to punish it more with out a single issue.
Thanks! I'll have a look at the 3000. That was one of the reasons I didn't bite the bullet yet. I had read some not so good reviews on the 4000.

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Thanks for the reply, Red. If I may ask, how much did the heavy-duty, electronic flasher cost? I found one at AutoZone which costs $12.99.



I'm thinking of buying this DPDT Center Off (DPCO) switch from Radio Shack for $3.69.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062518



I would replace the Tusk SPDT switch with the DPCO switch from Radio Shack, and wire it in the following manner, as shown in the following thread.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=850635



The grip heaters would be wired in series for the "low" setting, which would double the resistance. Since I = E/R, if the resistance doubles as the voltage remains at 12V, the current should be reduced to half. Have I made a mistake in my calculations? I realize the "high" circuit is wired in parallel.

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Here is the one I got...


http://www.autozone.com/autozone/par...ier=69839_0_0_

I also have one of those DPCO switches. Hmmm...

I'm in the middle of installing them and am having an issue with the way I ran the wiring. I have a PM to ThumpnRed. Ah! I've got mail!
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:11 PM   #50704
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I plan to rethink the dash this winter. I want to incorporate a cigarette lighter power outlet and get my indicator lights back in play.
Thanks for the pics! There isn't much room behind the light is there?

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I also have a 3000. I run a flex-shaft attachment on mine. I think it makes fine detail work easier.
http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Attachme...spx?pid=225-01
That would be a necessity.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:20 PM   #50705
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Am I going to tell all of you guys ALL of my secrets ???
We'll eventually wear you down.

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Pictures are always easier...
Nice work Thumpnred!
OK, I just got mine wired up just like you have on the diagram.
The issue I have is...the flasher clicks when the switch is on the "lo" setting and is quiet on the "hi" setting. Shouldn't it be the reverse of what's happening?
Why is that?
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:27 PM   #50706
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...I also have one of those DPCO switches. Hmmm...
Don't do it. I analyzed the circuits. The DPCO switch circuit consumes about 4.42 watts per grip on the low setting, which is about 1/2 the heat generated by the Tusk setup on low heat, and 1/4 the heat generated by the high setting. Therefore, I won't be using the DPCO switch. I am going to install an electronic relay.

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...D12_0335211065

The LED dimmer is very nice, and inexpensive; however, it's just too large for me.

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Old 12-28-2012, 09:30 PM   #50707
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...The issue I have is...the flasher clicks when the switch is on the "lo" setting and is quiet on the "hi" setting. Shouldn't it be the reverse of what's happening?
Why is that?
You got it right. The flasher sends power about half the time to the grip heaters when the switch is on the "low" setting. On the "high" setting, the wiring bypasses the flasher and sends full power to the grip heaters.

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Old 12-28-2012, 09:32 PM   #50708
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Nice work Thumpnred!
I second that!!! That is a tremendous help.

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OK, I just got mine wired up just like you have on the diagram.
The issue I have is...the flasher clicks when the switch is on the "lo" setting and is quiet on the "hi" setting. Shouldn't it be the reverse of what's happening?
Why is that?
On high, the grips are getting full power and the blinker relay is not in the circuit. On low power the blinker is in the circuit turning the power on and off to reduce the amount of time the grips are receiving power.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:33 PM   #50709
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Don't do it.

Thanks! I saw that in your earlier post, right after I posted saying I had one. I won't do it.

The LED dimmer is very nice, and inexpensive; however, it's just too large for me.

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Yeah, I know what you mean regarding the size...any size is too big for the cockpit on an XR. You have to have a good imagination to find mounting spots.
I thought you had bolted the switch. I forgot to look when you posted that pic earlier.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:35 PM   #50710
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Actually, Thumpnred, looking at your diagram, shouldn't the blinker relay be on the other side of the switch? Between the low pole and the blue line?
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:38 PM   #50711
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Actually, Thumpnred, looking at your diagram, shouldn't the blinker relay be on the other side of the switch?
Red got it right. When the top of the switch rotates to one side, the contacts in the body of the switch connect on the opposite side.

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Old 12-28-2012, 09:42 PM   #50712
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I second that!!! That is a tremendous help.



On high, the grips are getting full power and the blinker relay is not in the circuit. On low power the blinker is in the circuit turning the power on and off to reduce the amount of time the grips are receiving power.
I told ThumpnRed I was electrically illiterate. I was right!
So the resistor/flasher is for the low setting? If so then why is it on the wire that goes to the "hi" side of the switch? That's what is throwing me for a loop.

Thanks Guys! I couldn't have re-engineered these grip heaters without you!

Anyway...I got heated grips!!!
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:52 PM   #50713
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Thank you, Red. I looked online at AutoZone and O'Reilly, but I can't find that flasher anywhere. Do you remember approximately how much it cost?

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I bought one of those for my bicycle to put turn signals on it to "dumb it down" for the masses around me, the two prong relay cost $7.99 at the time, the closest I could find now online is: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/se...0381/C0335.oap
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:52 PM   #50714
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I told ThumpnRed I was electrically illiterate. I was right!
So the resistor/flasher is for the low setting? If so then why is it on the wire that goes to the "hi" side of the switch? That's what is throwing me for a loop.

Thanks Guys! I couldn't have re-engineered these grip heaters without you!

Anyway...I got heated grips!!!
The switch is confusing. Look at the pole that the bottom of the toggle points to.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:54 PM   #50715
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Red got it right. When the top of the switch rotates to one side, the contacts in the body of the switch connect on the opposite side.

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OK, I just figured it out. Duh!

That flasher I posted is also carried by Advance auto for the same price, $6.99.
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