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Old 12-29-2012, 09:04 PM   #15076
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I LOVE your responses! They're like a flashback to my childhood ... when mom was on the rag.

Fwiw my S10's SA-spec. Same ECU as the Europe bikes, which possibly is another plus for getting the flash done there.

Then your decision should be easy... Get the flash *YOU* think is best for the Euro-spec bikes, and from all you've related here you feel that's the Diapason or the Off-The-Road DE... But you don't want to to risk any worries with Italian customs... So seems to me you've landed yourself on the Off-The-Road DE re-flash.

There now. Decision made. You can thank me later!

And I'm sorry to hear about your Mom... You know, *sharing* with you all those bloody little details like when she was on her period, etc. Tell me, did she fret this much over which tampons to buy when she'd send ya' to get 'em? Maybe you come by it honestly...

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Old 12-29-2012, 09:19 PM   #15077
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Still mulling the the European vs US results since I have to send it overseas in either case. The Greek who got the Diapason flash beat his buddy's GSA by 8 bike lengths and can pull 2nd gear wheelies. Weighing that against your post-flash race against the '10 GS.
I have a hard time believing the Euro to US performance difference. As far as the GS run off I'd
be curious as to the year of the GS. All I know is I got spanked by a late model GS. As far
as second gear wheel lofts... maybe at sea level and a bump in the road. I run mine so much
at altitude that sea level makes it feel 20% stronger. It does lift the wheel much easier with
a little extra air.

Once we get Old Git Ray over here next summer we can run the Euro stuff against the US.

It's really such a moot argument anyway. These bikes are not 1/4 mile monsters to begin with.
If that was what it was all about the Multistrada would be the only game in town.

I just looked at the reflash was to solve some fueling issues, it does and dies give it some
additional zip. It does not turn it into a sport bike.
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:22 PM   #15078
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I have a hard time believing the Euro to US performance difference. As far as the GS run off I'd
be curious as to the year of the GS. All I know is I got spanked by a late model GS. As far
as second gear wheel lofts... maybe at sea level and a bump in the road. I run mine so much
at altitude that sea level makes it feel 20% stronger. It does lift the wheel much easier with
a little extra air.

Once we get Old Git Ray over here next summer we can run the Euro stuff against the US.

It's really such a moot argument anyway. These bikes are not 1/4 mile monsters to begin with.
If that was what it was all about the Multistrada would be the only game in town.

I just looked at the reflash was to solve some fueling issues, it does and dies give it some
additional zip. It does not turn it into a sport bike.




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Old 12-29-2012, 09:34 PM   #15079
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And I'm sorry to hear about your Mom... You know, telling you all those bloody little details like when she was on her period, etc. Hope she didn't fret so much over which tampons she'd send ya' to buy...

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Old 12-29-2012, 09:48 PM   #15080
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Don't let your imagination run too wild, it was the PMS that gave it away. Still trying to figure out why you're showing the same symptoms. Maybe from fretting over other people's posts too much.

And I can't for the life of me figure why you are worrying, fretting, and anguishing so much over something so cheap and trivial as an ECU re-flash?

I guess I just get weary when someone asks the same questions that have been hashed and re-hashed so many times before.

It's not like there are suddenly a bunch of new re-flashes and providers out there today. It's all the same ones... And I can't recall anybody being so vexed over the decision.

Like Pluric said, you seem to be over-analyzing, and over-questioning, it.

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Old 12-29-2012, 09:54 PM   #15081
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Have any of you guys owned vstroms in the past? What made you change to the s10?
The DL1000 was great on the highway at just over the speed limit, The bike was OK on dirt but not really at home,
The motor was not so fussed at revving under 4K, it was OK but not happy, despite the detune of a detune it still felt like a sports motor wanted to get out.
The suspension was OK on the road but serious bumps off the tarmac had it crashing a bit.
It sucked fuel way harder than it should.
It was a bit top heavy and winds caused it grief, but that didn't bother me that much.

The s10 is better in almost every way and in particular solved the problems above with the only drawback being a slightly slower steering and the lights aren't quite as good and it cost more, as it should.

Very happy camper I am.
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:45 AM   #15082
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Have any of you guys owned vstroms in the past? What made you change to the s10?

I'm looking at getting a new bike and I'm researching the s10 and 1100gs.
I had a 650 Strom. My wife did, too. We sold hers, and I gave her mine when I bought the Tenere.

Mine was (is) a 2007 w/ 70,000 miles.

Honestly - and I expect to get flamed like a mother fucker here - in my opinion the Strom is a better bike. The Tenere is great, and is growing on me; don't get me wrong. Recently, though, I rode both back to back, and other than the power of the Tenere, the Strom came away just feeling nicer: smoother, more comfortable, and better sorted out without the need to do clutch mods / ECU reflashes, and the like. Considering the MSRP is signifcantly lower - like 6 grand - and mine was paid for, I really feel that every month when I write my check to the bank.

If I was doing it all over again, as much as I am enjoyiing the Tenere, I would have just kept my Strom. Luckily it remains in my garage...

Obviously YMMV considerably.

Between the S10 and the GS, I'd think the S10 would be preferable. Lower cost of admission and much greater long term durability.
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Old 12-30-2012, 08:26 AM   #15083
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I had a 650 Strom. My wife did, too. We sold hers, and I gave her mine when I bought the Tenere.

Mine was (is) a 2007 w/ 70,000 miles.

Honestly - and I expect to get flamed like a mother fucker here - in my opinion the Strom is a better bike. The Tenere is great, and is growing on me; don't get me wrong. Recently, though, I rode both back to back, and other than the power of the Tenere, the Strom came away just feeling nicer: smoother, more comfortable, and better sorted out without the need to do clutch mods / ECU reflashes, and the like. Considering the MSRP is signifcantly lower - like 6 grand - and mine was paid for, I really feel that every month when I write my check to the bank.

If I was doing it all over again, as much as I am enjoyiing the Tenere, I would have just kept my Strom. Luckily it remains in my garage...

Obviously YMMV considerably.

Between the S10 and the GS, I'd think the S10 would be preferable. Lower cost of admission and much greater long term durability.
I don't know that the flamers will come out. That's why opinion threads always end with a
"Take a test ride if you can". 70,000 miles is a safe test ride.

I have two SV650s. I really like that motor too. Had a DL 1000 for 8 years. Can't say I miss
it compared to the Tenere. It really is about finding a model that works for you. Sounds like you have.
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:44 AM   #15084
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The SV650 motor is an all time favorite of mine. In fact, a 2002 SV650 that I bought for the wife unexpectedly changed my motorcycling taste forever. That motor got me off of inline 4 motorcycles.

However, they never put that sweet motor in an off-road package that could truly handle off-road like I want. (Wish they would\have)

Also, 2-up is my favorite adventures nowadays. And my big butt combined with the cargo and wife strapped on the back will be more than that sweet little motor can handle happily.

I get your point. But it applies to your "mission". And I even agree with you for that mission. But I use the S10 in ways the wee just could not compete.

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Old 12-30-2012, 11:54 AM   #15085
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Once we get Old Git Ray over here next summer we can run the Euro stuff against the US.

It's really such a moot argument anyway. These bikes are not 1/4 mile monsters to begin with.
If that was what it was all about the Multistrada would be the only game in town.

I just looked at the reflash was to solve some fueling issues, it does and dies give it some
additional zip. It does not turn it into a sport bike.
Small problem with that...I think.

I am getting mine done next month but it is from an ECU-Unleashed satellite dealer in the UK. http://www.raceengineering.info/

So my flash will probably be US spec. On top of that, having spoken to them, they are a bit unhappy with the results obtained when they flashed an S10, so they are looking at removing the O2 sensors and rejigging it. Apparently one bike ran well enough but then started generating fault codes. The bike may have been modified in other ways too (exhaust/filter etc). The off idle fueling was the problem IIRC.
I was phoning international so I did not go into detail but I arrived back in the UK yesterday so I will get better details when I go and see them in the New Year. Fortunately they are only 30mins drive from me. It is likely that I will lend them my bike to do some testing with.

I will up date when I know some more.

However, as you say above, speed is not a requirement, drive-ability is the big issue. For me anyway.
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Old 12-30-2012, 12:15 PM   #15086
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I am getting mine done next month but it is from an ECU-Unleashed satellite dealer in the UK. http://www.raceengineering.info/ ...


...However, as you say above, speed is not a requirement, drive-ability is the big issue. For me anyway.






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Old 12-31-2012, 07:08 AM   #15087
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I had a 650 Strom. My wife did, too. We sold hers, and I gave her mine when I bought the Tenere.

Mine was (is) a 2007 w/ 70,000 miles.

Honestly - and I expect to get flamed like a mother fucker here - in my opinion the Strom is a better bike. The Tenere is great, and is growing on me; don't get me wrong. Recently, though, I rode both back to back, and other than the power of the Tenere, the Strom came away just feeling nicer: smoother, more comfortable, and better sorted out without the need to do clutch mods / ECU reflashes, and the like. Considering the MSRP is signifcantly lower - like 6 grand - and mine was paid for, I really feel that every month when I write my check to the bank.

If I was doing it all over again, as much as I am enjoyiing the Tenere, I would have just kept my Strom. Luckily it remains in my garage...

Obviously YMMV considerably.

Between the S10 and the GS, I'd think the S10 would be preferable. Lower cost of admission and much greater long term durability.
Naw, man. You didn't come out flaming, so why should anyone else? It's all individual preference anyhow. From my frame of mind, the Tenere has everything I started wanting from my previous rides once I 'out-grew (or out-aged) the motard and sport bike phase.

I love to tour on and off road and the Tenere definitely has the frame/subframe and suspension to handle that. The next thing on my list was having enough excess electrical capacity to handle a full compliment of heated gear and driving lights..check! Overall reliability, check! Didn't want to deal with a a chain anymore..Check!

I must admint I was a bit underwhelmed for maybe the first week or two of ownership, but the machine has grown on me steadily since then. I'm a very happy camper with it today. It's all loosened up now, and feels very smooth and sorted to me although I understand how one man's idea of 'smooth and sorted' might not agree with the next fella.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:17 AM   #15088
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Mainly I'm looking for a long distance tourer. I ride dirt but not much. But I do go down a lot of rough roads in the mountains and the extra suspension of the adv bikes is very nice. I've narrowed it down to two bikes. GS1150..this one has always interested me but I hear horror stories about repairs and cost of Ownership. I've talked to BMW guys. It seems half say it's not reliable and expensive, the other half have put 100k on the bike with no issues. Obviously I'm looking at the s10. Seems to tick all the boxes and and has the standard japanese bike reliability.

I think buells are awesome but I don't want a bike with that much character
The tiges are nice as well but triumph dealership are few and far between and my wife wasn't enthused with the passenger accommodation.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:30 AM   #15089
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As a former DL1000 owner, I'll throw in my 2 cents too. No bike is perfect. Every machine has its Achille's heel. I think the DL1000 is an ok motorcycle with a great motor. I think the S10 is a great motorcycle with an ok motor. Suzuki cut corners on the V-Stroms suspension, seat, brakes, etc. and it shows. Yamaha built a bike with great brakes, suspension, off road capability and highway comfort. However, the engine can be a little rough around the edges and it could use another 20HP to be competitive with BMW and Triumph.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:51 AM   #15090
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Mainly I'm looking for a long distance tourer. I ride dirt but not much. But I do go down a lot of rough roads in the mountains and the extra suspension of the adv bikes is very nice. I've narrowed it down to two bikes. GS1150..this one has always interested me but I hear horror stories about repairs and cost of Ownership. I've talked to BMW guys. It seems half say it's not reliable and expensive, the other half have put 100k on the bike with no issues. Obviously I'm looking at the s10. Seems to tick all the boxes and and has the standard japanese bike reliability.

I think buells are awesome but I don't want a bike with that much character
The tiges are nice as well but triumph dealership are few and far between and my wife wasn't enthused with the passenger accommodation.
As a former 1150 owner, I definitely fell into the horror story category. I'm sure there are plenty of high mileage BMWs with few problems. I also think there are some defensive owners also who may not be entirely truthful. When I was part of the BMW faithful, an inmate here told me he didn't trust his beloved GS's once they got past 30-40k miles. That is why he bought a new bike every year or two. Yet over at GSpot, I have seen him defend BMW's stellar reliability time and time again.
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