2013 ama supercross

[nobrakes]

Originally Posted by pbarmy

While I agree with most everything said about R.D.I feel he rides at his own comfort level,and can go faster when needed,although it may be out of his zone.He can't control what others do,I believe Carmichael won some races/championships due to injuries suffered by McGrath,Stewart,Reed?Its all about surviving the Supercross season healthy enough to be ready for the REAL motocross season,Outdoors!

And all of Reed's championships have been while the top competition have been out as well. Reed never won a championship when Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or Dungey went the distance. Last man standing. But people seem to wear rose colored glasses for their favorites. His competition in '09 MX nationals was Short and Ivan Tedesco. '08 and '04 SX was Kevin Windham. That sums up Reed's championships.

I think Dungey has been pretty damn impressive with some pretty deep fields, and take away 3 mechanicals which were no fault of his own, he has 2 more championships to his name against Villopoto. And Dungey's still a relative youngster, while Reed is now a seasoned veteran. Woulda coulda shoulda, but that's the truth.

[Crash217]

Originally Posted by B1KSOLO

what ever happened to JL? so much talent just wasted (bummer)

I saw him in a video from a New Jersey mx race on the beach earlier this year, and heard he won some hare scramble up there also. Someone said he was at the Mini O's last year, but I can't find anything about that. He kept his Arma Racing RMZ 450's and still rides occassionally I guess.

[GotMojo?]

Originally Posted by pbarmy

While I agree with most everything said about R.D.I feel he rides at his own comfort level,and can go faster when needed,although it may be out of his zone.He can't control what others do,I believe Carmichael won some races/championships due to injuries suffered by McGrath,Stewart,Reed?Its all about surviving the Supercross season healthy enough to be ready for the REAL motocross season,Outdoors!

I saw a video interview the other day with Bob Hannah. He talked about how, in his racing days, he was the type of the rider who would ride 100% and on the edge every race, even if he didn't need to. He wondered if his career would have been longer if he would have dialed it back occasionally and rode just hard enough to win, and nothing more. I think that's what Dungey does... he pushes it just enough to win, or atleast get on the podium. Meanwhile riders like James Stewart are riding past their limits all the time, and crashing out, sometimes even getting injured. Dungey may be boring to watch sometimes, but he knows what he's doing and just rides hard enough to get on the box.

[B1KSOLO]

Originally Posted by Crash217

I saw him in a video from a New Jersey mx race on the beach earlier this year, and heard he won some hare scramble up there also. Someone said he was at the Mini O's last year, but I can't find anything about that. He kept his Arma Racing RMZ 450's and still rides occassionally I guess.

I like to see him have a come back trip to the big leagues, possibly a little more humbler and wiser, I would cheer him on

[Crash217]

Originally Posted by B1KSOLO

I like to see him have a come back trip to the big leagues, possibly a little more humbler and wiser, I would cheer him on

I would be interested in watching some come back stuff as well, but I doubt it'll ever happen. *

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by Crash217

I would be interested in watching some come back stuff as well, but I doubt it'll ever happen. *

I'd think he's too old now to be up front

[amazing ricardo]

[nachtflug]

Originally Posted by nobrakes

And all of Reed's championships have been while the top competition have been out as well. Reed never won a championship when Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, or Dungey went the distance. Last man standing. But people seem to wear rose colored glasses for their favorites. His competition in '09 MX nationals was Short and Ivan Tedesco. '08 and '04 SX was Kevin Windham. That sums up Reed's championships.

But he has shown he can win on a reasonably regular basis with multiple top adversaries present. Dungey seems to have minimal wins until ALL of the top adversaries are out. Which cannot be said about the CR/RV/JS. Personally i don't have a favorite but as I started this debate I'll just say that expecting more from champions either going forward or in hindsight is a fair point of view from the ranks of the spectators. I'd like nothing better than to see any of them post an undefeated run to a title. They are all in my opinion the top riders on the planet in any discipline and that includes Moto GP and to be "the best" of the top 10 is worthy of some kind of statue. Dungey, Reed, Stewart, and RV are the gold standard for "dirt bikes". For Barcia and Canard to be mentioned in the same breath speaks for itself. For Windham to do what he does at his age defies logic. Still time for one magical season? Maybe the 2013 Honda 450 was born for this very reason. Whatever way you slice the pie it doesn't bode well for Yamaha's red headed step child of a platform.

[markjenn]

Many of you seem to want two outcomes for this season:

1. You want all the riders to ride always "on the edge", never backing off, always trying to win every race. (Dungey seems to get the most criticism for not being aggressive enough.)

2. You also want all the major players to make it through the season so the championship is not decided by attrition.

Do you realize that these two goals are in direct conflict with one another? You can't have it both ways.

Personally, I wish they'd all back off a bit and we could enjoy an entire season with the top five or so all riding rather than watching three/fourths the field eventually be carted off to the hospital in the course of a season.

- Mark

[Shawnee Bill]

Originally Posted by markjenn

Many of you seem to want two outcomes for this season:

1. You want all the riders to ride always "on the edge", never backing off, always trying to win every race. (Dungey seems to get the most criticism for not being aggressive enough.)

2. You also want all the major players to make it through the season so the championship is not decided by attrition.

Do you realize that these two goals are in direct conflict with one another? You can't have it both ways.

Personally, I wish they'd all back off a bit and we could enjoy an entire season with the top five or so all riding rather than watching three/fourths the field eventually be carted off to the hospital in the course of a season.

- Mark

Nope.

I want all the above plus

3. My guy wins every race.


in the last turn



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[pbarmy]

Originally Posted by markjenn

Many of you seem to want two outcomes for this season:

1. You want all the riders to ride always "on the edge", never backing off, always trying to win every race. (Dungey seems to get the most criticism for not being aggressive enough.)

2. You also want all the major players to make it through the season so the championship is not decided by attrition.

Do you realize that these two goals are in direct conflict with one another? You can't have it both ways.

Personally, I wish they'd all back off a bit and we could enjoy an entire season with the top five or so all riding rather than watching three/fourths the field eventually be carted off to the hospital in the course of a season.

- Mark

Living where I do,the closest Supercross was Pontiac/Detroit(60-90 min drive).Now the closest is Indy,(3-4 hr drive).By the time they roll into this area,several of the major players are usually out,which is why I dont attend any more.Free tickets to Indy may be available,but its not enough to get me to make that long boring drive.Now when Redbud comes round in July,its a different story!

[brents347]

Originally Posted by nachtflug

But he has shown he can win on a reasonably regular basis with multiple top adversaries present. Dungey seems to have minimal wins until ALL of the top adversaries are out. Which cannot be said about the CR/RV/JS. Personally i don't have a favorite but as I started this debate I'll just say that expecting more from champions either going forward or in hindsight is a fair point of view from the ranks of the spectators. I'd like nothing better than to see any of them post an undefeated run to a title. They are all in my opinion the top riders on the planet in any discipline and that includes Moto GP and to be "the best" of the top 10 is worthy of some kind of statue. Dungey, Reed, Stewart, and RV are the gold standard for "dirt bikes". For Barcia and Canard to be mentioned in the same breath speaks for itself. For Windham to do what he does at his age defies logic. Still time for one magical season? Maybe the 2013 Honda 450 was born for this very reason. Whatever way you slice the pie it doesn't bode well for Yamaha's red headed step child of a platform.

Flug, I totally understand what you are saying about Dungey, and sub-consciously I agree with it, but maybe that's why I want to argue it so bad.

Facts. In 2010, RD beat RV straight up 5 times before RV was injured. He also Beat JS and CR twice before they left the series.

In 2011 RD had 1 win with CR, JS, RV and TC all present.

In 2012 RD had one win with RV, CR, TC and JS present and 2 wins with just RV and JS present.

These results of course are all SX only. So again, I understand completely what you are saying, but I think he's winning more against full competition than you are giving him credit for.

What is it, 5 more days? No A1 for me this year, but I've got my tickets for Oakland and I am ready! And Yeah, I'm glad I live on the West coast and the guys are almost always still healthy while they are in my neck of the woods.

[eddie bolted]

Originally Posted by nachtflug

But he has shown he can win on a reasonably regular basis with multiple top adversaries present. Dungey seems to have minimal wins until ALL of the top adversaries are out. Which cannot be said about the CR/RV/JS. Personally i don't have a favorite but as I started this debate I'll just say that expecting more from champions either going forward or in hindsight is a fair point of view from the ranks of the spectators. I'd like nothing better than to see any of them post an undefeated run to a title. They are all in my opinion the top riders on the planet in any discipline and that includes Moto GP and to be "the best" of the top 10 is worthy of some kind of statue. Dungey, Reed, Stewart, and RV are the gold standard for "dirt bikes". For Barcia and Canard to be mentioned in the same breath speaks for itself. For Windham to do what he does at his age defies logic. Still time for one magical season? Maybe the 2013 Honda 450 was born for this very reason. Whatever way you slice the pie it doesn't bode well for Yamaha's red headed step child of a platform.

I agree about Dungy,if JS could keep from crashing,he would be the one to beat,but there are some good riders comin' up.

[GotMojo?]

I think Dungey will be super quick this year. Look at what he did in the Monster Energy Cup race, shifting with his hand in a few of those moto's. Would have been awesome to see what he could have done without all the crazy bike problems he had at that event.

[Beez]

GotMojo's photo reminds me, what about Alessi? Is he not even worth mentioning? I guess he's a top 10er but not a top fiver. Did he get 2nd in MX only because all the top guys except RD5 were out? Probably, but he was also consistently beating Short, Grant, Weimer and others who've been mentioned so far.