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Old 01-03-2013, 07:03 AM   #15271
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The question I want answered is :- are the Mitas rears any easier to fit than the Heidenaus.
The heidis are a BASTARD and I dread getting a flat in the middle of nowhere. Although, having said that, I reckon they're so stiff you could ride out of trouble.
This ^ is what I forgot to mention earlier. I had a rear Heidenau go flat on me while riding in an off road park. I was able to ride it up the trail to a level dirt road, but breaking the bead required putting the tire under a KTM 950 side stand. I'm not sure the other thumpers in attendance that day had the weight to unseat the bead. I have changed plenty of tires, but none have required the frustration of the K60. It was a team effort. The spokes still have blood on them from that day.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:33 AM   #15272
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The question I want answered is :- are the Mitas rears any easier to fit than the Heidenaus.
The heidis are a BASTARD and I dread getting a flat in the middle of nowhere. Although, having said that, I reckon they're so stiff you could ride out of trouble.
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This ^ is what I forgot to mention earlier. I had a rear Heidenau go flat on me while riding in an off road park. I was able to ride it up the trail to a level dirt road, but breaking the bead required putting the tire under a KTM 950 side stand. I'm not sure the other thumpers in attendance that day had the weight to unseat the bead. I have changed plenty of tires, but none have required the frustration of the K60. It was a team effort. The spokes still have blood on them from that day.
I'm guessing they're built on a really stout casing, for the intended purpose; it's a heavy duty tire. If it were built on a more flexible carcass, big bore bikes would probably just shred them, not to mention the sidewalls would be easily damaged. I've changed a lot of tour-bike tires and they're definitely built on a heavier carcass and are usually a two man job, too.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:55 PM   #15273
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Quite agree. Go get your cash out and try them yourself.





The question I want answered is :- are the Mitas rears any easier to fit than the Heidenaus.
The heidis are a BASTARD and I dread getting a flat in the middle of nowhere. Although, having said that, I reckon they're so stiff you could ride out of trouble.

Another thing...................has anyone experienced cracking on these tyres as in this thread? http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...e-safety-50899 Or have they cured the problem?
Cracking issues are old news...issues have been resolved

The std E07 was tough to mount ...the Dakar E07 will probably be the same as the Heidenau. Breaking the Bead on rear with a "safety" is always hard, especially on the side of the road.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:26 AM   #15274
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Cracking issues are old news...issues have been resolved

The std E07 was tough to mount ...the Dakar E07 will probably be the same as the Heidenau. Breaking the Bead on rear with a "safety" is always hard, especially on the side of the road.
Thanks for clearing that up. I'll probably stick with the Heidis on the rear then as I have a place very near to me that can get them. And they last forever.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:08 PM   #15275
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Thanks for clearing that up. I'll probably stick with the Heidis on the rear then as I have a place very near to me that can get them. And they last forever.
I just had K60 Scouts put on my 800XC today. I was pretty surprised at how stiff the rear in particular was, and was glad that I was having it installed rather than doing it myself.

On the ride home from the shop they felt a little squirrely. Got home and the pressures were way too high. Adjusting the tire pressures then cutting off all the little hairs made them feel much better. Took the bike out this afternoon for about 120 miles, and they feel good now. I need to recheck the pressures in the morning though to get a true cold psi reading. I'm thinking I'll try about 30/35 psi front/rear initially (for the road), then adjust from there.

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Old 01-04-2013, 08:59 PM   #15276
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I did the same thing except I also had a TKC 80 front that I snipped all of the rubber bits off of as well. How long did it take to do front and rear tires? About 3 beers.
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:08 AM   #15277
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I just had K60 Scouts put on my 800XC today.

I'm thinking I'll try about 30/35 psi front/rear initially (for the road), then adjust from there.
That'll do OK. Those are the pressures I use especially with luggage. Although I have found them still OK on road at 15F/20R when coming off dirt back onto the road. They are stiff buggers.
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Old 01-05-2013, 07:11 AM   #15278
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Can't remember where I got the figures (maybe from Leslie and Cheryl's trip to Alaska?) but I run 33F and 36R on the street and it handles like a slot car. Drop down 7 psi on each end, 26F and 29R for easy OTR, and down another 6 psi for the deep stuff. Of course what do I know? I got to know some sagebrush and rocks on a first name basis last week-end
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:53 AM   #15279
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Put down the cash for a green 2013 800xc...should be ready for pick up by next week...I'm an ex gs800 owner ( wrecked it)...looking forward to the smooth triple!!!
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:20 AM   #15280
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I have a set of Oxford heated grips that I want to hook up, and would like to use switched power--the set I have claims to switch them off if the voltage gets too low, but I don't readily trust that. Ideally, I'd like to use the connection for the OEM heated grips, but if I understand correctly, that won't work because of a relay that turns the power on to that connection separately from the ignition? I know there's the Eastern Beaver kit you can get to make it plug and play, but I was hoping to get these installed this weekend. Is there any way around the relay without getting the EB kit? Or another easy-ish circuit to tap into? (I know people have used headlight circuits before, but I've also heard that's generally a no-no.)
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:39 PM   #15281
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Can't remember where I got the figures (maybe from Leslie and Cheryl's trip to Alaska?) but I run 33F and 36R on the street and it handles like a slot car. Drop down 7 psi on each end, 26F and 29R for easy OTR, and down another 6 psi for the deep stuff. Of course what do I know? I got to know some sagebrush and rocks on a first name basis last week-end
(Heidi K60's) Likewise 33 front, 36 rear with excellent results for the last 8000 miles. Switched from 140 rear to 150 wide after the first 1000 miles, I think the 140 is better off road, but like the 150 better on road and it works well enough off road, just to stir up another hornets nest. Ken

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Old 01-06-2013, 05:21 AM   #15282
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I have a set of Oxford heated grips that I want to hook up, and would like to use switched power--the set I have claims to switch them off if the voltage gets too low, but I don't readily trust that. Ideally, I'd like to use the connection for the OEM heated grips, but if I understand correctly, that won't work because of a relay that turns the power on to that connection separately from the ignition? I know there's the Eastern Beaver kit you can get to make it plug and play, but I was hoping to get these installed this weekend. Is there any way around the relay without getting the EB kit? Or another easy-ish circuit to tap into? (I know people have used headlight circuits before, but I've also heard that's generally a no-no.)
Tim,

All the relays are the same -- well maybe not every single one but... I looked last time and saw the same relay on three or more circuits. It's a key on thing, just what you want -- it's not "separately from the ignition", if I understand what you meant correctly. If the relay is there or you get a replacement from your dealer for the one you don't have, then the problem is the switch has no less than 6 wires going to it, so you'll need to find the load power vs the lamp power & I guess vampire it or whatever you want. It's all right under the tank just behind the head stock when you have it installed factory, so the harness bits should be tucked away there for you.

If I recall correctly the grips and auxiliary lights are the same relay, and I believe headlights, and instrument cluster too -- the lamps and grips ones are hiding down on the side of the rad under the cowls, and the others are in the battery compartment.

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Old 01-06-2013, 06:08 AM   #15283
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I have a set of Oxford heated grips that I want to hook up, and would like to use switched power--the set I have claims to switch them off if the voltage gets too low, but I don't readily trust that. Ideally, I'd like to use the connection for the OEM heated grips, but if I understand correctly, that won't work because of a relay that turns the power on to that connection separately from the ignition? I know there's the Eastern Beaver kit you can get to make it plug and play, but I was hoping to get these installed this weekend. Is there any way around the relay without getting the EB kit? Or another easy-ish circuit to tap into? (I know people have used headlight circuits before, but I've also heard that's generally a no-no.)
This is easy if you take the tank off. There's a plug for the Triumph grips. Just follow my photos here :- http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/p...IPS%20INSTALL/
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:42 AM   #15284
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Sorry if someone else has already shared, but as anyone that has ever changed the rear tire on an 800XC knows, the bead is something terrible to get knocked down without a tire machine. Major fear of having to do it along the road and I would consider myself very proficient and changing tires. I had one of those chisel shaped bead poppers in my bag but had tried using it at home for tire changes and it really didn't help much. The bead area is really wide on that rear rim.

I saw the Motion Pro Bead Pro reviewed in a magazine and got one immediately.

http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/...ro™_tire_tool/



It's pricey, I think it was around $75 at my local dealer but it works. It takes about one trip around the bead to get it pushed down a little, but then as you start your second pass, it'll knock it all the way down. The other lever in the pictures is the third one I carry with me. I've had it forever since it works on lots of bikes. Also a Motion Pro item. Has a 27mm on one end. Crazy light weight and works very good as a tire lever.
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:46 AM   #15285
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Tim,

All the relays are the same -- well maybe not every single one but... I looked last time and saw the same relay on three or more circuits. It's a key on thing, just what you want -- it's not "separately from the ignition", if I understand what you meant correctly. If the relay is there or you get a replacement from your dealer for the one you don't have, then the problem is the switch has no less than 6 wires going to it, so you'll need to find the load power vs the lamp power & I guess vampire it or whatever you want. It's all right under the tank just behind the head stock when you have it installed factory, so the harness bits should be tucked away there for you.

If I recall correctly the grips and auxiliary lights are the same relay, and I believe headlights, and instrument cluster too -- the lamps and grips ones are hiding down on the side of the rad under the cowls, and the others are in the battery compartment.

Chek with your meck a nick,
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I had been gung-ho about just going in and installing the grips until I did a quick search to see if anyone had tips and saw that it might not be as straightforward as I thought. If I understand correctly, it should actually be a bit more like I'd originally expected. I am indeed planning on just using a vampire connector to attach to the existing wiring. I'm guessing maybe things are more problematic if one is trying to simply find the female connector to the OEM harness and hardwire that to the grips (which would have 2 wires instead of the OEM's 3.) Or, I could be talking out of my ass.

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This is easy if you take the tank off. There's a plug for the Triumph grips. Just follow my photos here :- http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/p...IPS%20INSTALL/
Excellent, thanks for the pics, that will be super helpful. I'd hoped to be able to do this without taking the tank off, but it sounds like it might be worth the extra effort in this case.
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