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Old 01-05-2013, 01:40 PM   #211
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Urgh, not a good start...hope the problem was spectacular or something.

At least it's a finish.

It better not be a belt....10 minute stop?
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:41 PM   #212
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Urgh, not a good start...hope the problem was spectacular or something.

At least it's a finish.

please explain, I don't think I'm up to speed
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:52 PM   #213
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Urgh, not a good start...hope the problem was spectacular or something.

At least it's a finish.

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Waaay behind, stopped on the course for a long time. Ranked 87th right now, there are finally some cars slower than Robby.
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Old 01-05-2013, 02:19 PM   #214
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It's all about how you FINISH!!
He will pass SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! many that thier heads will be spining !!!!!
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:28 PM   #215
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Gearbox problem, something wrong with reverse. TV images showed him stuck on a dune - RG wanted to be conservative, but it didn't really work.

Let's see how he handles this tomorrow.
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:36 PM   #216
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Spectators helped push him out. Since no outside assistance is allowed, he could be DQ'd for that.
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:41 PM   #217
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Been around for a long time. In Offroad racing an Albins tranny is commonly linked through a torque converter and NOT through a clutch. You have to start the car in gear and the biggest drawback is you have to shut the car off for going into reverse (off-shift into reverse-start-move back-shut car off-shift into 1st-start car) If you try to shift into first with car running and car stopped it either wont go or it goes and blows the tranny. Likewise with reverse which is the weakest gear in the Albins. The huge advantage is that the torque converter provides a hydraulic damper between the motor and gearbox causing both to last much much longer. However, I digress because Robby uses a clutch. Reverse is still the weak link in an Albins. Drivers say that if you have to use reverse on the race course you already screwed up, so don't get excited and try to jam it into reverse and make things MUCH worse! Clutchless shifts are possible but you need to "blip" the throttle to take the pressure off of the dogs. BTW a tranny like that will set you back about $40K, Robby prolly has 4 or 5 of them in the support trucks.

The really trick trannys are the ones VW used In their Dakar Race Touraegs made by Xtrac. Also sequential, but uses an pneumatic actuator to shift allowing paddle shifters. The system allows a shift in 1/300th of a second, you link it to the ignition system which cuts power for 1/25th of a second and the shift occurs in the middle of all of that lag time.
Dang, Bad called it!
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:57 PM   #218
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Spectators helped push him out. Since no outside assistance is allowed, he could be DQ'd for that.
You mean like when he got towed out of that ditch by the tiny Fiat in Argentina?
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:01 PM   #219
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Spectators helped push him out. Since no outside assistance is allowed, he could be DQ'd for that.
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You mean like when he got towed out of that ditch by the tiny Fiat in Argentina?
The (likely) defense: RG; "Yeah... but... but... they scrutineered the bumpers at tech... I mean, man... what are they for, if not for pushin' on...?!"
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:05 PM   #220
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I don't know what happened, but from what I can gather was that they had to check up just right at the top of a dune and got stuck, got excited and blew up reverse (easy to do and ALWAYS the DRIVER'S fault). Locals pushed him back which as noted by Hogwild is ammo for a ruling against him. Being a full half hour behind after a 15 km stage is NOT good. It sets Rubby up for going bonkers and trying too hard, compounding his problems. The question is should Mini go ahead and protest the outside assistance now or wait to see if he starts to make up ground? I've got a feeling that they wouldn't DQ him, but assess a time penalty instead.

We'll have to see how long Carlos lasts. Rubby used to make a big deal out of winning the early short spectator friendly specials.
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The question is should Mini go ahead and protest the outside assistance now or wait to see if he starts to make up ground?
I doubt anyone would protest the outside assistance since almost everyone gets some type of outside assistance somewhere along the line. If someone protests now, a LOT of eyes will be on that driver, and they'll be sorry later when they receive the same penalty!
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:17 PM   #222
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I doubt anyone would protest the outside assistance since almost everyone gets some type of outside assistance somewhere along the line. If someone protests now, a LOT of eyes will be on that driver, and they'll be sorry later when they receive the same penalty!
This ^^^

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Being a full half hour behind after a 15 km stage is NOT good. It sets Rubby up for going bonkers and trying too hard, compounding his problems.
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and THIS^^^

No need to protest (if it's on film and they want to, the jury can give a penalty without a team having to lodge a protest... if the offense is deemed warranted)... anyway, I think that the x-raid brass will sit on their cards... and wait and see. Past form indicates that RG will try to drive himself back to the front, and detonate somewhere along the way (or do soft drinks implode/explode?).

Either way, RG tend to fight hardest when he's in the corner... but history suggest he - rarely - gets of the ropes in that situation.

It should be fun and spectacular (fast) to watch though.
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:20 PM   #223
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Gearbox problem, something wrong with reverse. TV images showed him stuck on a dune - RG wanted to be conservative, but it didn't really work.

Let's see how he handles this tomorrow.
At least it wasn't a blown belt.
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:21 PM   #224
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if it's on film and they want to, the jury can give a penalty without a team having to lodge a protest... if the offense is deemed warranted)...
There is a time limit on filing a protest, or making such a ruling, which is probably some hours after the finish of the stage. So, if they don't do it now, it becomes too late.
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:23 PM   #225
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There's simply no grounds for a protest. Spectators pushing cars out is a staple of the Dakar, that's the stuff people want to see. I can't remember any protest of that kind passing the green table.

Also, RG has lost enough time as it is, no reason to heap a penalty on top.
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