Dakar 2013 - Official Event Coverage - thank you ALL TeamF5, lurkers and posters!

[VRRR1]

Originally Posted by troy safari carpente

That's quite true... but that's a lot of GPS material to review if so... for all of the moto, auto, quad and truck cmpetitors... to determine who crossed what point and when (what do they do for the competitors who went back a couple of times?).

This could mean a great number of changes to times perhaps?

A big question in my mind is; 1. was the point innacurate (as some suggested?) or just difficult to determine and 2. how was Sainz' GPS functioning when he was at that point?

- I do not know the answers 1 or 2 ? However it would be each competitor to prove he must get his time back(protest) - Which Carlos successfully did . With GPS data each competitor has the ammo to prove 2 and 1 ?

[troy safari carpente]

Originally Posted by Clancy

And let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time that El Rollador has won an appeal/argument purely by weight of personality

Well yeah... there's that too...

[troy safari carpente]

Originally Posted by VRRR1

- I do not know the answers 1 or 2 ? However it would be each competitor to prove he must get his time back(protest) - Which Carlos successfully did . With GPS data each competitor has the ammo to prove 2 and 1 ?

If there is an innacuracy in the roadbook, the onus is on the organization to administer a solution equitably to all competitors (ie: each competitor need not protest), if it was a problem with an individuals GPS (not something common to all competitors) YES, then it is the responsibility of EACH competitor to plead their case - as Sainz did.

hence my question as to what the situation is regards points 1 & 2.

If number 1, the ASO has to review ALL cases... if number 2. its is on a case by case basis... and Sainz has had his case looked at and upheld it seems.

[Bicycle Phil]

MannyMoney on the way!

Bummed for Kevin....heal quickly bro

Looks like RMSDave will have time to lend a hand to the Malle moto contingent....!!!

F5ers RallyOn!!

[homerj]

Originally Posted by troy safari carpente

Well yeah... there's that too...

I seem to remember Sainz either is/was an attorney, or was very close to becoming one before he decided on rally. I bet he's not easy to argue with.

[troy safari carpente]

Originally Posted by homerj

I seem to remember Sainz either is/was an attorney, or was very close to becoming one before he decided on rally. I bet he's not easy to argue with.

For sure, he (or at least his team(s) managers) had some doozies with the FIA jury back in his Ford (Sierra) and Toyota TTE (Celica/Corolla) days in the WRC...

[doyle]

I spoke with Juan Carlos Salvatierra (@chavo_mx1) this evening. He was moving well early in the stage up to 14th at WP3 and then lost the stator and spent an hour and a half in the dunes changing it out but lives to fight on another day. Naturally he is massively disappointed especially as he had the same problem in Sardegna. His team mate Eduardo Heinrich stopped to help him as I believe did Johnny Campbell. His spirits sound good and I assured him we were pulling for him.

For those that don't know, Chavo is an inmate here riding a Honda (#50) for Team Honda Europe.

[too old]

Originally Posted by troy safari carpente

That's quite true... but that's a lot of GPS material to review if so... for all of the moto, auto, quad and truck cmpetitors... to determine who crossed what point and when (what do they do for the competitors who went back a couple of times?).

This could mean a great number of changes to times perhaps?

A big question in my mind is; 1. was the point innacurate (as some suggested?) or just difficult to determine and 2. how was Sainz' GPS functioning when he was at that point?

EDIT: oh... and 3. How does this relate/pan out for the MOTO's... there were a lot of bikes running around looking for the same point... no?

and how long was spent looking for it also?

[too old]

Originally Posted by doyle

I spoke with Juan Carlos Salvatierra (@chavo_mx1) this evening. He was moving well early in the stage up to 14th at WP3 and then lost the stator and spent an hour and a half in the dunes changing it out but lives to fight on another day. Naturally he is massively disappointed especially as he had the same problem in Sardegna. His team mate Eduardo Heinrich stopped to help him as I believe did Johnny Campbell. His spirits sound good and I assured him we were pulling for him.

For those that don't know, Chavo is an inmate here riding a Honda (#50) for Team Honda Europe.

And that is exactly what put Sam out on day 2 last year (and 1 on the liason also!) - something seriously wrong with that bike set up?

Sam has his last years 450 Dakar X here in Dubai for training and has changed the battery - a bit of heath robinson solution as its much bigger - but no problems since - oh he did that after the stator went again!

Something to do with the electrical compatability - but vehicle electrics not one of my strong points beyond battery and fuse changes

[Aussie66]

Some people love em some people hate em.

I have used Super B batteries (nice and small) in the past on my Husky but that lasted three melted batteries before i stopped trying. I reckon they are great for enduro but less suitable where you need electrics to run the show.

just my 2 cents worth.

[Aussie66]

Hey Too Old , you ride bikes ?

[fetid_swamp]

i'm also hoping 127 makes the finish and not last.
hiding behind those USDs and underneath all those tanks is a poor old XR400.
woo hoo. talk about dakar spirit!

[Aussie66]

Got one of these lying around if dirt bikes is not your thing

[Flood]

Did someone get the rest of this sequence on Eurosport?



It was over quick, but I think I saw the two Honda riders sitting all the way back in super pursuit mode and a few seconds later a KTM passed them with the rider sitting up.

Maybe they were already in fuel preservation mode?

[Brodovitch]

G'morning everyone!

-coffee-

Originally Posted by neduro

Have you ever had an intense period in your life where the sensation of time became non-linear? That's how Dakar feels. Even though it's only Day 2, the extended buildup, and the organization that came together in the days before the start, the people who are a part of the race are already settling into a timeless feeling, where everything you can remember is the race and everything you can foresee is the race. You are part of a living breathing moving thing, and it is all consuming.
[...]

When you finish the special, it's a huge feeling of relief and elation... but it doesn't last long, because now there's work to do. There's another liaison, finding your team in the bivouac, and getting ready for tomorrow. A long time ago is measured in hours, the farthest ahead you can see is tomorrow.

probably the best description of being caught in the "rally bubble" I've read. Even on the smaller, 5 -7 day stuff I have raced, that's exactly what I was trying to explain to friends. The "racing" continued way after the riding ended, I found myself trying to minimize any time wasted, any superfluous effort, trying to plan every little detail as efficiently as possible, to combine tasks - your mind never stops working on how to be as time efficient as possible. Loved every second of it. I'll second the book thought Ned, either that or a blog