Rear main leak...or ???

[craydds]

Originally Posted by woodly1069

Could it be the lower plate seal also?

It is time to get that oil pump cover off. Make more pictures.

[woodly1069]

You are correct! I need to do that but his evening we had plans...I did get to steal a minute before dinner and eyeball the engine at the alternator brushes, it appears that the small amount of crank movement did no shifting! Things appear to still be in place! I will definitely takea few photos and update ASAP! Oh yeah, and block the stupid crank from sliding!

[jackd]

Actually I wasn't too worried about your crank moving yet - you hadn't got involved in changing the seal out. But now you can go ahead with the confidence that everything will be alright.

[woodly1069]

Sheeeewww! Glad you were not scared! Ozmoses scared me to death the other day! Actually I am super glad he did, another hour or two and I would have screwed up big time. Love the advrider, always learning something. Thanks Oz!

[jackd]

It's only a fucking machine - remember that. Unfortunately some people like to become alarmist and post presumably just to increase their post count. A few come to mind. Enjoy your learning experience and one day you can become one of those if you so choose.... Hopefully you will have the self control and chose another path.

[ozmoses]

Originally Posted by jackd

It's only a fucking machine - remember that. Unfortunately some people like to become alarmist and post presumably just to increase their post count. A few come to mind. Enjoy your learning experience and one day you can become one of those if you so choose.... Hopefully you will have the self control and chose another path.

Do we have a problem?

[woodly1069]

Nope, all is well! I've done PLENTY of rebuilds but this one caught me totally by surprise and am just thankful that he caught it when he did. I would hate to tear down a perfectly good engine...as a side note, the oil pump cover plate screws are soaking so I should be able to get them out very soon to inspect the seal.

[jackd]

Originally Posted by ozmoses

Do we have a problem?

I have no problem with what Woodly is attempting - he is asking for good guidance and receiving it. I just raise my eyebrows at those who chime in on issues and have the need to contribute just to see their own words in print - and by doing so needlessly complicate issues. My failing I guess.

[disston]

Even if you don't block the crank it doesn't usually move. If it does move the inner thrust bearing doesn't always fall off the pins. If the bearing comes off you can sometimes get it back on with out removing the crank. It's not a fun thing when it gets messed up but it can be fixed.

It's just something to be aware of and know how to deal with . You'll never forget this one. Now you're an expert.

[ME 109]

Blocking the crank is an issue that should be bought to the attention off anyone that appears to not know about it.
Wouldn't it be a 50/50 chance as to whether the engine case or the crank wins the vacuum tug of war with the thrust washer?
If indeed the crank gets pushed forward.

A lot of noobs trying to remove a rms particularly on a clutch carrier bike might use the guide ring for leverage.
Shit, I did.
And I didn't know about blocking the crank.
And I pushed the crank forward without realsing it.
And I torqued up the clutch carrier with the washer sitting on top of the dowels.....

[Bill Harris]

Well put, ME109. We've seen, many times, here and elsewhere, where not blocking the crank can have disasterous consequences. And in this case, the wrencher was unaware of the potential thrust washer problem and alerting him saved the day.

And, as happens with 'Net postings, the advice will get offered in duplicate. REminds me of this old Internet Joke:

Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb?

A: 1,392:

1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed...

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently,

4 to complain that they were happy with the old one,

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs,

27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs,

53 to flame the spell checkers,

156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list,

41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames,

109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb,

203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped,

111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list,

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty,

27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs,

14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs,

12 to flame the AOL users for violating netiqutte and blame them for starting this whole thing,

3 to post about links they found from the URLs that "are relevant to this list, which makes light bulbs relevant to this list,"

45 posts about weather or not AOL should even be allowed to exist,

33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too,"

12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy,

19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three,"

4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ,

1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup,

47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here, and

143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.

--Bill

[woodly1069]

that is GREAT, thanks Again guys!

[jackd]

Originally Posted by ME 109

Blocking the crank is an issue that should be bought to the attention off anyone that appears to not know about it.
Wouldn't it be a 50/50 chance as to whether the engine case or the crank wins the vacuum tug of war with the thrust washer?
If indeed the crank gets pushed forward.

A lot of noobs trying to remove a rms particularly on a clutch carrier bike might use the guide ring for leverage.
Shit, I did.
And I didn't know about blocking the crank.
And I pushed the crank forward without realsing it.
And I torqued up the clutch carrier with the washer sitting on top of the dowels.....

I'm happy to see this post after reading what was stated in #39. That one gave the impression that blocking of the crank isn't quite necessary. Putting that info out there does a disservice to the new comers to this forum who are trying to have painless wrenching experience.

[woodly1069]

OK guys after all my drama about blocking the crank, I have her back together and the crank is all good! Thanks for all the help



This is what happens when I take the bike that far apart...looking good to me though!

[bmwrench]

How did you get the engine so clean?