The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[khale]

Originally Posted by TuonoBiker

Seriously! I'm certainly no fan-boy, but geez!!! What do people want? Make the GS too small, then people complain it isn't tour worthy. Take away all the gadgets of ALL sorts and then its over-priced and old-fashioned....give it too much HP and its now trying to compete w/ a Multi. Make it too tour worthy and now it sucks off-road.

I still maintain that the GS is one of the best full size tour bikes that can take you and a passenger down any path, road, interstate loaded with luggage for several days and do it with ease...so long as you have ground clearance.

Its got an optional 1000$ LED headlight. So what!!!! Some of us love that shit!!! You can buy fancy automatic suspension....so what!!!! Lots of people love that shit too. For 20k, give or take, a lot of people will demand they get the latest technology and innovations. And I mostly agree.

I say all the naysayers of technology...of anything with a circuit board...of anything over 105HP (*gasp*)...go buy a 10 year old KLR and stop belly-aching about technology and overweight bikes.

Sorry.........[/rant]

I'm sure you already know this, but there's always going to be people who gripe. It's just the nature of consumerism. I rarely pay mind to people that bitch about an already fantastic brand and product.

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by Marki_GSA

The current GSA is very similar but who is to say the WC one will be. As I said they may choose to separate the models more than they currently are. GS more a road bike and GSA more off road.

That's always a possibility....

[TuonoBiker]

Originally Posted by khale

I'm sure you already know this, but there's always going to be people who gripe. It's just the nature of consumerism. I rarely pay mind to people that bitch about an already fantastic brand and product.

Yeah.....I know.....I guess I was just griping about the griping. It's winter and I'm spending too much time on the forum and not enough riding!!

[markjenn]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Not sure why you think the GSA is more suitable...basically the same bike but heavier and more top heavy. Gotta go smaller, lighter, bigger front wheel, etc. if you want more dirt worthy.

There was never any intent by BMW to make the GSA a better dirt bike; the intent (successfully achieved, I think) was to make it a better adventure bike by fitting it with all the accessories and crash protection that most tourers taking their bikes into the bush typically fitted from the aftermarket, then close the deal with lower gearing and bigger gas tank, both mods that the aftermarket could never practically provide. You're right, the stock GSA is probably more of a beast in the dirt than the stock GS, although if you start fitting the GS with all the crash gear and don't fuel the GSA to more than the GS holds, I doubt the difference is significant.

BMW already has the smaller, lighter, bigger front wheel bike in their line up (the F800GS).

The GSA formula has worked so well for BMW, I'd be absolutely flabbergasted if BMW doesn't do almost exactly the same thing with the water-cooled GSA.

- Mark

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by markjenn

There was never any intent by BMW to make the GSA a better dirt bike

- Mark

I think you probably meant to quote another poster and not me....I never said there was an intent to make the GSA a better dirt bike, in fact I argued just the opposite in my response in this thread...my post disputed another poster that claimed that one should wait for the GSA if they wanted to use it in the dirt and get 'mean'.

[markjenn]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

I think you probably meant to quote another poster and not me....I never said there was an intent to make the GSA a better dirt bike, in fact I argued just the opposite in my response in this thread...my post disputed another poster that claimed that one should wait for the GSA if they wanted to use it in the dirt and get 'mean'.

Sorry if I mis-quoted you or took something out of context. Sounds like we're in agreement. But.... I do think waiting for the GSA is not a bad strategy if you're going to be going deep in the bush and want all the protection bits anyway. Chance for BMW to get the bugs out too.

- Mark

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by markjenn

Sorry if I quoted you out of context. Sounds like we're in agreement. But.... I do think waiting for the GSA is not a bad strategy if you're going to be going deep in the bush and want all the protection bits anyway. Chance for BMW to get the bugs out too.

- Mark

I can't wait...I want it now! #2 on the list at my dealer for the GS.

[markjenn]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

I can't wait...I want it now! #2 on the list at my dealer for the GS.

New bike fever is a powerful thing. I have a very early production S1000RR.

- Mark

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by markjenn

New bike fever is a powerful thing. I have a very early production S1000RR.

- Mark

Any regrets/issues on getting an early production model?

[RetrogradE]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Any regrets/issues on getting an early production model?

Not this again.

I would sooner give a homeless man a rim-job than discuss first-year production model pros/cons.

It's almost as pedestrian and pointless as the billion tire threads here.

[markjenn]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Any regrets/issues on getting an early production model?

I'll reply since Retro is probably out on the street finding a homeless man...

My S1000RR has been perfect, but I think the risk of problems is higher with a first-year model or the first-year of a heavily revised model, especially a BMW. And you usually don't get any deals. I try and wait if I can, but like we've been discussing, the Force is strong on some new bikes, and having the latest/greatest for a year or two is always fun.

- Mark

[scooteraug02]

Hope this wasn't posted but Cycleworld has a good rundown on the watercooled 1200

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/12/21...-tech-preview/

[Paulvt1]

I wonder if they'll make a hopped up megamoto version?

[RichBMW]

Originally Posted by Paulvt1

I wonder if they'll make a hopped up megamoto version?

I'm all over that if they do

[Paulvt1]

I wonder how much more poke they'll be able to get out of this motor? What was the old MM12 - 125bhp?