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Old 01-11-2013, 11:09 AM   #26776
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A local Niner dealer has one in the box that he offered to me for $1400. Retail price on these is $2400. Should I buy it?

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Old 01-11-2013, 11:45 AM   #26777
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So I picked up a set of nashbar PVC parabolic rollers for use during the icy winters here, which of course caused a heat wave melting the snow, but thats besides the point.

Never did ride rollers before, and man do I have to say these things are a real sonovabitch. I can get up using the wall for a support, but to just do a freestanding start is nearly impossible. Any tips? I will say once you get moving they are much better than any resistance trainer ive used, and wear you out trying to maintain speed to help your stability.

The nashbar units appear to be of decent quality, though the rollers scuff easilly. For $150, I cant complain and would reccomend them for anyone tired of dodging snowflakes. I havent even massively ate shit off them yet (although it sure felt like I was trying for the first day)
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:57 AM   #26778
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If you have an unfinished basement use them there if it's not too dank and has headroom. You can grip over head.

Or two boxes one each side. .
Low gears toi begin your spin and balance.
Proper set up of the wheelbase match to the roller spacing will help a lot.

Don't watch TV at first. If you're indoors you'll need a fan. If the rollers have plain bearings with some good drag you won't need big gears.
Rollers reward smooth pedal strokes, i.e.pedaling squares.

I gave mine away and told the guy they were free if he promised to never bring them back. I'd rather ride on ice.

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So I picked up a set of nashbar PVC parabolic rollers for use during the icy winters here, which of course caused a heat wave melting the snow, but thats besides the point.

Never did ride rollers before, and man do I have to say these things are a real sonovabitch. I can get up using the wall for a support, but to just do a freestanding start is nearly impossible. Any tips? I will say once you get moving they are much better than any resistance trainer ive used, and wear you out trying to maintain speed to help your stability.

The nashbar units appear to be of decent quality, though the rollers scuff easilly. For $150, I cant complain and would reccomend them for anyone tired of dodging snowflakes. I havent even massively ate shit off them yet (although it sure felt like I was trying for the first day)
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:47 PM   #26779
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So I picked up a set of nashbar PVC parabolic rollers for use during the icy winters here, which of course caused a heat wave melting the snow, but thats besides the point.

Never did ride rollers before, and man do I have to say these things are a real sonovabitch. I can get up using the wall for a support, but to just do a freestanding start is nearly impossible. Any tips? I will say once you get moving they are much better than any resistance trainer ive used, and wear you out trying to maintain speed to help your stability.

The nashbar units appear to be of decent quality, though the rollers scuff easilly. For $150, I cant complain and would reccomend them for anyone tired of dodging snowflakes. I havent even massively ate shit off them yet (although it sure felt like I was trying for the first day)
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:06 PM   #26780
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So I picked up a set of nashbar PVC parabolic rollers for use during the icy winters here, which of course caused a heat wave melting the snow, but thats besides the point.

Never did ride rollers before, and man do I have to say these things are a real sonovabitch. I can get up using the wall for a support, but to just do a freestanding start is nearly impossible. Any tips? I will say once you get moving they are much better than any resistance trainer ive used, and wear you out trying to maintain speed to help your stability.

The nashbar units appear to be of decent quality, though the rollers scuff easilly. For $150, I cant complain and would reccomend them for anyone tired of dodging snowflakes. I havent even massively ate shit off them yet (although it sure felt like I was trying for the first day)
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:01 AM   #26781
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Triathletes on a hill...

http://youtu.be/EcqIgCJNjto

IME triathletes are mostly runners and swimmers that ride a bike because their sport requires them to. They're not cyclists that run and swim. ...and I'll agree with the 'its a gearing issue' to a certain extent because of the above.

Speaking of gearing... Mark your calendars now! The Devil's Backbone ride is going to be on 23Mar13 this year. (details on the web) I'll be there. Had a great time last year at both rides. Bring rain stuff, the ride goes off rain or shine. ...AND bring a 27t cassette. You'll need it!

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Old 01-12-2013, 06:03 AM   #26782
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NEVER, EVER ,EVER watch anything on TV that will make you flinch. Walking Dead would send you flying!

Practice is the only thing that worked for me, concentrate on SMOOOOOOTH.
+1

After a short while, you'll be able to stand up to relieve some of the pressure 'down there,' you'll be able to ride no-handed, and you'll be able to get a drink out of your cages. It really all just comes down to 'ride em more.'

Turning the wheels faster = easier to go straight. (but I'll bet you've figured that out by now)

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Old 01-12-2013, 07:00 AM   #26783
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A local Niner dealer has one in the box that he offered to me for $1400. Retail price on these is $2400. Should I buy it?

If it's the right size, yes! However, it overlaps what you already have.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:22 PM   #26784
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Here's how you do it:
I would bust my butt about 15 seconds into that.


I'd rather ride outside! And seeing as how I don't live in Minnesota or Wisconsin or Alaska, I can!

A good day of cycling is when you work a course for the first time in six-ish weeks, and you pass fellow pedalists going up the gnarliest hill on the course. 18.6 miles pedaled, 15.6 mph average, time 1:11:10, max speed 34.3 mph.

I'm not gonna be olympic-eligible anytime soon, but I felt pretty good about it.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:27 PM   #26785
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So I picked up a set of nashbar PVC parabolic rollers for use during the icy winters here, which of course caused a heat wave melting the snow, but thats besides the point.

Never did ride rollers before, and man do I have to say these things are a real sonovabitch. I can get up using the wall for a support, but to just do a freestanding start is nearly impossible. Any tips? I will say once you get moving they are much better than any resistance trainer ive used, and wear you out trying to maintain speed to help your stability.

The nashbar units appear to be of decent quality, though the rollers scuff easilly. For $150, I cant complain and would reccomend them for anyone tired of dodging snowflakes. I havent even massively ate shit off them yet (although it sure felt like I was trying for the first day)
i usually set a chair up (back towards me) nearby just to have something for reference when i'm getting on and off, but with a little practice you'll find you're using it less and less.

don't worry about the discoloration on the rollers; that's just proof that you're using them. i have a set of old alloy-drummed Kreitlers (because Kreitlers last for-freakin'-ever, and have a headwind fan for wind resistance that blows the wind back *at* you), and they're polished clean-looking in the center while the rest is considerably dingier looking.

practice riding low gears and just spinning easy initially; riding faster will make it easier to keep your balance, but you'll also find that your mistakes get amplified quicker as well.
key is staying loose on the bars; rollers teach you that you're steering from your saddle, not your handlebars, as doing something wrong at the bars on rollers will quickly put you off the side.

one of the best things about roller'ing is that it teaches what *not* to do, and how to not fight yourself or waste energy. there's a reason Time Trialists and mega-milers spend time on rollers; spend a little time on them yourself, and you'll understand. (try doing a short ride after spending some time on your rollers, and you'll really appreciate it; it feels like you're on a rail that you couldn't get knocked off of.)

but mostly, just practice doing it easy for a while until you relax on them. you'll find that as you relax, it gets easier.
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:54 PM   #26786
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I miss my rollers, never should have sold them.

I took a quick, cold ride into town to stock up on supplies (booze) today. Although I didn't have any trouble with the snow and ice, studded tires would be nice at times like this when my mountain bike with tire chains is overkill.

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Old 01-12-2013, 06:29 PM   #26787
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Holy crap! a January ride in full summer gear and conditions?

Yes, I was slow.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:03 PM   #26788
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Holy crap! a January ride in full summer gear and conditions?

Yes, I was slow.


I had the specialized, bandit, and KLX out today around Toledo. 60 degrees ?

I'm slow too. Well except for the B12S
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:31 PM   #26789
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It took 52 minutes and 9.25 miles of mud to get the bike this grungy, but at 70 degrees I'll take it.



It took well over an hour with the garden hose and air compressor to get my kit clean afterwards.

Worth every minute.
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:40 PM   #26790
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If you have never ridden rollers at all and you're nervous about falling, find yourself a doorway. Most rollers will fit in the doorway and you want to place the rollers so that your elbows, rather than your bars, are near the doorframe. If you feel yourself getting wonky or you fear you'll tip, just use your elbow to gently guide yourself back into position.

I have used this technique with every person to whom I have ever sold new rollers, and it works every time. Then you can move to a wall, and use the other fellows suggestion of placing a chair, just in back of the bars, so you can grab hold and help yourself getting started and stopping.

Once you're a pro-- and if you ride enough you will be, but to ride rollers that much you almost need your head done in-- you can ride in the middle of the basement or the spare bedroom or what have you.

I have no trouble riding rollers but it is a workout, the drag of the tires, the friction of even the nicest rollers and the friction of the belt make an easy gear a bit of an effort and you have to pedal a certain speed or the bike will lack enough gyroscopic force to sit upright, so, unless you have paid for a set with a flywheel, there's no breaks.

A very short gear will make you pedal your arse off to keep upright, a very tall gear will let you get away with a stomper's cadence. I prefer small ring, one gear down from the middle (of a 10 speed) when I'm going, but I start a couple clicks up the cog and finish the same way. Doesn't take much effort but it will still keep your pulse up and you can listen to the sound of the tires to see how round you are. When I get tired I can hear the whoosh, whoosh of some very square strokes. Oddly enough the first place I feel sore is the back of my knees from concentrating so fully on trying to pedal circles and bringing my leg back, up and around. Almost never feel any burn in my quads. But you will also wear yourself out a bit with trying to keep a light grip on the bar. Isolating your hands from your lower body is the key, but having a quiet upper body means you need to hold your core without using your hands as much.

I usually ride for 30 minutes or so, and I put a video on so I have something to watch besides the clock. Look ahead-- if you're not watching anything look about 2 metres ahead of your front wheel and focus on relaxed, round strokes.

My only warnings are these:
I have ridden off the rollers countless times, sometimes ending up in a heap, sometimes doing alright. I get caught in my thoughts or the video or the music and ride straight off the side. The bike will come to a screeching halt. If you are set next to a wall you can sort of cheat that side and your arm should hit before you ride off. 20 years ago I put pieces of tape on the outside 7cm or so of my drums so that when I was riding near the edge I could feel the thump thump thump thump warning.

You need a fan on, but you will still drip sweat. Don't do this over carpet or the Mrs. will likely lose her mind. Also, they make a sort of sweat catching thong that goes from your bars to your seat post to keep from corroding your stem, your headset and fixing hardware into a big lump. Either grease all that very well or get a sweat catcher.

I also have a mat I put down on the carpet. Saves replacing it.

NOTHING is as slippery as cleats and a cleaned (likely waxed) tiled floor. Take care. If you hop off to fill your water bottle up in the kitchen you might end up on your arse. Polished (well-trodden) concrete is nearly as slippery.

I keep the bike in the study here with the computers so I'll take a few snaps:

Here's the mat, I think it was cycle ops or something.




Here's the sweat catcher. Same brand maybe?





You can see the evidence of the last ride-off. These tires are miserable anyway, I have a set of DT Swiss wheels with Dura-Ace hubs that I use for the road. I'm a big guy and these wispy little Vuelta rims don't seem like they'll last long. No pot holes on the rollers, though.




This is the gear I ended up in to spin down.

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