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Old 01-11-2013, 10:33 AM   #1666
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We manufacture more than any other country in the world

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....We barely manufacture anything these days. I looked around at christmas, and 95% of everything we had opened was NOT made in America......
Actually, America does manufacture a lot. More than we ever have. Not only the value of the products produced, but the amount. What is happening is due to modernization, automation and technology, the amount produced per worker has skyrocketed and we don't need as many workers. So there is an appearance that we don't manufacture as much.

Our manufacturing output has never been higher than it is right now, contrary to what most Americans think. In fact, the US manufactures even more than China does, or any other country in the world.

US manufacturing output

But manufacturing employment is down.

Because worker efficientcy is up.

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Highway Dirtbikes hand guards. I've dropped my bike more times than I can ever care to count, and never broke a lever or bent my bars.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:07 PM   #1667
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I guess I don't understand NOT buying something because the company is using all the resources available to minimize their cost. It's acceptable to make a profit, but not a BIGGER profit by using cheaper production methods?

It's all economics, supply and demand. The price is dictated by what people are willing to pay, and what is available to the consumer. The competition is low, for high-end motorcycle gear. So their price dictates that, regardless of production cost/methodology.
1. I'll generally choose quality over marketing hype and/or fashion trends.

2. Given the choice I'll support a domestic producer, especially if I'm convinced their product is superior.

3. Supply/Demand and economic realities: I'd feel dumb knowingly overpaying for anything.

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Old 01-11-2013, 02:27 PM   #1668
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Quality wasn't my point, rather it was cost of production. Like most sports shoe manufacturers, Klim fails to pass along Chinese production savings to the customer.
Perhaps. But I think you may be underestimating by several orders of magnitude the cost of materials... materials that often aren't made in China or that comes with healthy licensing fees regardless of where made. Gore-tex is not Chinese. Neither is Cordura. Nor 3M scotchlite. Etc.

They may be making a killing by not passing on production savings, but I don't think so.

FWIW Klim gear is too expensive for me... I wear Aerostich gear.
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:00 PM   #1669
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Good points made on both sides of this argument. Having owned two high-dollar full suits from them, only to resell later at a loss due to dissatisfaction with the pieces, I do think KLIM could bring their gear prices down from the stratospheric levels they are currently at and still make money. No statistics to quote to prove so but c'mon...what do you think they are paying for labor in China to sew these fancy fabrics together?
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:16 PM   #1670
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The BMW gear I had with the fancy German (Schoeller?) fabrics that also cost a fortune (but not quite as much of a fortune as the Klim gear) was made in China. At least the Jacket was. The pants were made in Eastern Europe. Nice gear, well made, lots of little details, but.... the jacket main zipper had to be replaced within 3 years and the pants were completely shot in 5. My 'stich gear cost a touch less and lasts at least 2x as long.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:28 PM   #1671
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In ten years the only issues I've had with Aerostich gear were crash related.
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:12 PM   #1672
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At 8 years I sent my roadcrafter in for some new velcro down the front and a repair to the back reflective flap that got damaged in a low side. It's one of the reasons I went back to Aerostich for two piece touring gear (Darien Light plus the bottoms from a Roadcrafter two piece suit) after trying some other gear.
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:21 PM   #1673
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:53 AM   #1674
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Only one? Isn't that generally a recurring multi-unit purchase?
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:59 AM   #1675
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Only one? Isn't that generally a recurring multi-unit purchase?

Does anyone here know enough about KLRtastic to make that determination?
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:36 AM   #1676
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Does anyone here know enough about KLRtastic to make that determination?
Nah -- I'm only projecting based on my usual buying patterns for said protective gear.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:17 AM   #1677
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The absolute best I've bought is my current boots Hein Gerricke Touareg which are still going strong after 100000 miles. Current equivalent is http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/boots-...r-stiefel.html

After that comes :-
Triumph Tiger motorcycles.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:47 PM   #1678
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Thanks for sharing all your posts. There are some fun toys out there. When shopping for a drill press I scored a hiring bonus from work. The extra money helped me put this in the shop:



Here is a better (stock) photo of the thing
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Old 01-17-2013, 05:59 AM   #1679
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I'm sure its been posted before, but I bought the warm & safe WP jacket and a set of w&s heated gloves with the remote this year and it has totally transformed riding for me.

I have been riding about 15 yrs, on all kinds of bikes, and have suffered through the winters either freezing my ass off, or wearing so much bulk that it was a pain in the ass.

I wish I would have wised up, and got the heated gear 15 yrs ago! It's expensive, but worth every penny IMHO
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:46 PM   #1680
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The absolute best I've bought is my current boots Hein Gerricke Touareg which are still going strong after 100000 miles...
+1 on Gericke. I bought a Touareg jacket & pants from NewEnough Leathers 12+ years ago & still going strong & looking good. They are too warm for summer use so they are only worn for winter riding, so they get fewer miles than other gear. So far they look like they will still look good & perform well, long after I'm gone.
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