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Old 01-11-2013, 10:35 PM   #8776
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Holy hell, you mean to tell me the Dakar is dangerous!?!?
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:38 PM   #8777
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Well done Team F5 - I think today in the last 24hrs we hit a record of nearly 110 pages or roughly 1700 posts. I think that may be a new record yet!

Sleep well - one more hard day and then the rest day for F5 key maintenance.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:48 PM   #8778
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Yamahas

Anyone know much about Pain's Yamaha and how it's built? I was surprised to hear on ES that its 15kgs (that's 33lbs.) lighter than the KTMs. And Pain's is apparently lighter than Verhoven's or Fretigne's (I forget which). Anyone know how they shaved so much weight?
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:51 PM   #8779
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Holy hell, you mean to tell me the Dakar is dangerous!?!?
Excellent point

Yes, next we will be told "Dakar needs more regulation" to make it safer and save lives, just like everything else: "Mind you dont burn you lip, this coffee is hot..." "Mind the step" , "this plastic bag can kill your child if you allow it over its head" . "smoking can kill you" etc. - Lets get with it and use your God-given common sense! We should stop blaming other people when we screw up and take some responsibility instead of playing the blame game, and taking the socialist cop out. If you screwed up you deserved what you got, because you did not do a proper risk assessment in the first place. Now we must take that decision away from people to help themselves?



I feel for Thomas, and his family. Its truely tragic what happened, but he was doing what he loved, what he was passionate about. He was living the dream, which is more than what most of us have done. And he knew the risks were there. He did the risk assessment and decided he would enter the Dakar, because the reward was worth the risk. Why should we now in retrospect take that away from him or anyone else?
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:55 PM   #8780
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Anyone know much about Pain's Yamaha and how it's built? I was surprised to hear on ES that its 15kgs (that's 33lbs.) lighter than the KTMs. And Pain's is apparently lighter than Verhoven's or Fretigne's (I forget which). Anyone know how they shaved so much weight?
The Yamaha is a MX bike with a rally kit added, where as the KTM is a purpose built rally bike with a full trellis frame.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:59 PM   #8781
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Anyone know much about Pain's Yamaha and how it's built? I was surprised to hear on ES that its 15kgs (that's 33lbs.) lighter than the KTMs. And Pain's is apparently lighter than Verhoven's or Fretigne's (I forget which). Anyone know how they shaved so much weight?
The KTM is relatively heavy with a trellis steel frame and 690 sized components.

The YZ is all mx + gas. Kick start, alu frame, etc. I would be surprised the diff is that much but I have certainly never weighed them.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:23 PM   #8782
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When you next chat, please pass on that there are S.Africans all over the planet rooting for them and following their progress.

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Great call by Lyndon.

Altitude really took it out of the boys today.

I spoke to Brett Cummings & Darryl Curtis today. They were also both tired, Brett on an equivalent with Lyndon, Darryl a little less so. Both had headaches as well, and both battled with the altitude today and the dust.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:26 PM   #8783
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Excellent point
...Now we must take that decision away from people to help themselves?



I feel for Thomas, and his family. Its truely tragic what happened, but he was doing what he loved, what he was passionate about. He was living the dream, which is more than what most of us have done. And he knew the risks were there. He did the risk assessment and decided he would enter the Dakar, because the reward was worth the risk. Why should we now in retrospect take that away from him or anyone else?
We are like-minded on this topic. Great post.

If all the great challenges of life are padded to soften the blow, what real lessons would we learn when we fall?

The sadness of the loss is always tough, the feelings of regret and sorrow overcome rational thought and reasoning. In the end, however, to die doing something you enjoy is a great service to yourself. While your family will see it differently perhaps, there are many less desirable ways to perish. Unsafe employment, drug addiction, random assault...

Each January, I'm reminded of the fact that every competitor in this foolish endeavor has lived more in just a few days than I have in a few decades. It's humbling and exciting and scary all at the same time.

While it has changed, perhaps softened a bit, it is still one of the last of the greatest tests of both mental and physical strength that exists on this ever-shrinking globe of which we inhabit.

Long live the Dakar.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:28 PM   #8784
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:33 PM   #8785
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Right now, unfortunately, it looks like the most effective course of action is to swap an entire engine with someone else riding a 450RR.

I bet you Cyril will be paying top dollar, maybe even a whole bike for next year to whomever is tempted.
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Anyone know a competitor with a good solid engineering background who might know his way around aKTM and want to earn a few brownie points by giving Cyril a hand ?
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Hey, any privateer out there who wants to score brownie points with KTM and get on TV for offering assistance, tow him in. Plus, it'd be the true spirit of the Dakar, of course...
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And there is of course possibility that CD will try to finish on Dabrowski's old engine, Svitko finished last year fifth with single stock engine. Anyway, Dabrowski just earned lifetime KTM friendship :)
Doubt that a privateer "helping" out KTM's top rider is remebered/benefitted for a lifetime by the corporate.

why am i reminded of a certain Luca Manca from last year ??
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:51 PM   #8786
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dakar.com stage 7

Dakar.com photos from stage 7. cross-posted in the Dakar 2013 Media thread.



#500 - GERARD DE ROOY (NLD) / TOM COLSOUL (BEL) / DAREK RODEWALD (NLD)






#315 - ROBBY GORDON (USA) / KELLON WALCH (USA)



#1 - CYRIL DESPRES (FRA)



#15 - FRANS VERHOEVEN (NLD)





Dakar.com has a bunch of photos for each stage that they're not showing in the main "photos" area... slightly hidden. enjoy! also cross-posted in the Dakar 2013 Media thread.





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Old 01-11-2013, 11:57 PM   #8787
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We are like-minded on this topic. Great post.

If all the great challenges of life are padded to soften the blow, what real lessons would we learn when we fall?
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Thats the goal of people who wants to control "others".....laws and regulations dont happened by accident (of any kinde sports or political)....they are put to "use" with some objective(or should i say target because they will do any thing achive that goal/law/regulation),which in the end benefits some "small" group.....

regarding a "danger in life" heres a littel quote
Osho : DANGEROUSLY? To live dangerously means to live. If you don’t live dangerously, you don’t live. Living flowers only in danger. Living never flowers in security; it flowers only in insecurity. If you start getting secure, you become a stagnant pool. Then your energy is no more moving. Then you are afraid, because one never knows how to go into the unknown.
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There are only two types of people in the world. People who want to live comfortably — they are seeking death. They want a comfortable grave. And people who want to live — they choose to live dangerously, because life thrives only when there is risk. Have you ever gone climbing the mountains? The higher the climb, the fresher you feel, the younger you feel.

>>>full artice http://www.oshoteachings.com/osho-di...g-dangerously/
(i know its not something you find on forum like ADVRIDER)

Since i coming from a conspiracy world,now its a good time to shut up.........


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Old 01-11-2013, 11:58 PM   #8788
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Excellent point

Yes, next we will be told "Dakar needs more regulation" to make it safer and save lives, just like everything else: "Mind you dont burn you lip, this coffee is hot..." "Mind the step" , "this plastic bag can kill your child if you allow it over its head" . "smoking can kill you" etc. - Lets get with it and use your God-given common sense! We should stop blaming other people when we screw up and take some responsibility instead of playing the blame game, and taking the socialist cop out. If you screwed up you deserved what you got, because you did not do a proper risk assessment in the first place. Now we must take that decision away from people to help themselves?



I feel for Thomas, and his family. Its truely tragic what happened, but he was doing what he loved, what he was passionate about. He was living the dream, which is more than what most of us have done. And he knew the risks were there. He did the risk assessment and decided he would enter the Dakar, because the reward was worth the risk. Why should we now in retrospect take that away from him or anyone else?

"Rocks ahead"
"This track may contain fesh fesh, please take care"

All i wish for the dakar is to have a moment of silence at the start where the people who lost their life riding the dakar be remembered.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:59 PM   #8789
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MALLE MOTO

Ther are still 11 malle moto riders in the race according the TV speaker.
finally caught up.

my fav malle moto - 127 Boyer XR400 is still in the game.
cracking 92 outright.
with the almost 2 liters of oil those things hold and a shortened day tomorrow
he could very well slack off and just do the air filter and rest up while the others work around him.
good one nicolas.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:02 AM   #8790
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As an aside, one of the great pleasures of these machines is that they are designed to be worked on. When I pulled the shock, it was with joy that I discovered how easily the rear tank comes away- literally moments and it's off in your hand.
That's one of the things I loved about my old 2001 KTM 520. Remove two (dry, no lubricant) bolts and the rear shock is in your hands!
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