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Old 01-14-2013, 09:16 AM   #11101
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Posted above, in french, so nobody paid any attention

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Spaniard Joan Barreda (Husqvarna) entered the second part of the special at 12:49:21 pm local time

WP7 should have opened, it's been 25 minutes
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:17 AM   #11102
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:17 AM   #11103
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HRC's overriding philosophy is to learn it's own lessons. Their engineers don't like to adopt other designs, and they trust nobody else's development. This is true across their range. It's why they often use a lot more time developing things while others stand around going "why?!".
They will do their own thing and test it, test it, re-do it, test it until the cows come home, and they will only settle on the same thing everyone else does once they've exhausted all options.
It's a cool philosophy, but it's impractical and inefficient.
And for a fact that is 100% what has been going on since June - but maybe, just maybe they will hit on something better than everyone else does - that's R&D
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:18 AM   #11104
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It's a good train of thought when your goals are, say a few Dakars away. I would really be surprised if Honda expected the boys to outgun the Orange brigade right from the get-go; the CRF is still lacking on too many fronts for that. They probably use this as a 'building year' to test their current design and redo everything which bollocksed it up for this edition.

Slow indeed, but Honda being Honda, I'm all too curious about what will come out at the end of it.
Yesterday on spanish tv Coma said it took 10 years for KTM to win something in the Dakar
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:18 AM   #11105
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here we go


..again in english.


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  • 17:01 Bikes: Barreda opens the throttle again

    Spaniard Joan Barreda (Husqvarna) entered the second part of the special at 12:49:21 pm local time.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:19 AM   #11106
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did HRC sad anything about guning for top spots in their 1st year?? That would be foolish imo even if you are HRC
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:20 AM   #11107
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Posted above, in french, so nobody paid any attention

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Spaniard Joan Barreda (Husqvarna) entered the second part of the special at 12:49:21 pm local time

WP7 should have opened, it's been 25 minutes
The ASO timing team should be back from lunch soon......I hope.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:20 AM   #11108
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I still can't get my head around the placement of the fuel pump down there
Gravity feed to the pump, eliminating the theory that inter-tank transfer was the culprit. I actually like that placement.

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That thing needs a bigger fuel pump and more fuel valves.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:20 AM   #11109
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Campell stopped, 5 minutes now, as per french dakar com
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:22 AM   #11110
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:22 AM   #11111
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Campell stopped, 5 minutes now, as per french dakar com

R&D on the side stand?
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:24 AM   #11112
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I thought you were talking about BMW until you didnt mention throwing in the towel, or getting distracted by a pretty streetbike.


To me, HRC seems to get all wrapped around their process, rather than their rider. Competition at a high level takes place only somewhat on the drafting table, a great part of it is also the confidence the rider feels in the machine and in the team. They seem to neglect that sometimes.

I'm glad Helder got the ride and presumably the resulting paycheck, but I liked the story better when he was the pesky near privateer needling the side of the KTM factory juggernaut.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:24 AM   #11113
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:26 AM   #11114
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And the legendary Bob Bergman confirmed to me via twitter that even back in Africa, 2005, all he had for the marathon bivouac was an ASO provided bag big enough for some essentials and a sleeping bag. No box then either.

all this talk about boxes... they saw them because practically everyone WAS malle moto
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:27 AM   #11115
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To me, HRC seems to get all wrapped around their process, rather than their rider. Competition at a high level takes place only somewhat on the drafting table, a great part of it is also the confidence the rider feels in the machine and in the team. They seem to neglect that sometimes.

I'm glad Helder got the ride and presumably the resulting paycheck, but I liked the story better when he was the pesky near privateer needling the side of the KTM factory juggernaut.

+1

I also fear next year IF the rumors are true and Cyril joins the hrc squad. Would hate to see Helder have to play second string after he suffers threw the development phase.
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