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Old 01-13-2013, 11:15 PM   #31
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I believe you have made allowance for the seat latches.

The seat needs some room to move slightly forward in order to "lock" under the central latches. I wanted to point out the need for this slight forward movement in order to allow the seat to lock.
Great job. I would also like to hear the cost of such a construction.
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:04 AM   #32
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With the talent and resources you seem to have, why not go all the way and make a full subframe that incorporates a rear tank as well as rear rally side tanks?
I tought about it :-), but this is too advanced...

Let's see if this concept works and if yes, I will think about some solution for bikes with ABS, because the underseat works only for types w/o ABS. I have two ideas, but one by one :-)
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:16 AM   #33
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The seat needs some room to move slightly forward in order to "lock" under the central latches. I wanted to point out the need for this slight forward movement in order to allow the seat to lock.
Great job. I would also like to hear the cost of such a construction.
Cheers.
Great observation I found out thanks to the attrape. After mod. the locking is no prob.

Costs? The dev. costs are not final yet, but close to the costs of the bike it self. I hope the final retail price per tank will be below $300. Itm. cheaper than any similar solutions, but above Rotopax. My intention is to make the price "no brainer" and rather sell volumes than to have high margin. Let's see :-)
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:11 AM   #34
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I tought about it :-), but this is too advanced...

Let's see if this concept works and if yes, I will think about some solution for bikes with ABS, because the underseat works only for types w/o ABS. I have two ideas, but one by one :-)
I would be interested if you develop any solution for the ABS 990. I like the idea of under the seat thank. Great work!

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Old 01-14-2013, 07:58 AM   #35
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Same here. Nice tank.
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:25 PM   #36
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If you are at or below $300 for a final price I'd predict there would be a LONG LINE of customers ready to order one.

I would be near the top of that list!
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:34 PM   #37
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If you are at or below $300 for a final price I'd predict there would be a LONG LINE of customers ready to order one.

I would be near the top of that list!
I'd tend to agree that the large tank options currently semi-available are too pricy for most. Especially when compared to the large tank options of other makes. Price point and production capacity could be a big issue here.
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:35 PM   #38
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I would be interested if you develop any solution for the ABS 990.
Same here.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:01 PM   #39
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very nice tank !
excellent work !
got to hand it to you
hope you can pull it off and make it worth the effort !


one of the problems with producing any custom short run motorcycle parts for sale is that quality material costs are high and there is a LOT of time involved . Another possible problem is that with short run handcrafted items not patterned by a cad design and production molded may have what may be considered " cosmetic flaws " by customer expectations . 100's of hours can be afforded spent on pattern making , but small run production can take excesive time finishing out "flaws"

the mass production from china or other low labor cost areas and the availability of mass machine produced items in the motorcycle/automotive market has customer expectations almost unreasonable to make it worthwhile.
The margin of profit versus time involved in handcrafting certain items for motorcycles makes it a losing proposition for the craftsman in todays motorcycle parts market

other genres, for instance , the custom car or boat industry, aircraft, race car items are more forgiving in terms of retail pricing

In other words
IMHO motorcycle riders (me included ) are a bunch of cheep spoiled bastards, we want it cheep and we want it perfect
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:25 PM   #40
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IMHO motorcycle riders (me included ) are a bunch of cheep spoiled bastards, we want it cheep and we want it perfect

...yep. However, there are similar aftermarket tanks for other bikes that are 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of the large tanks for the big KTM...... So Granted we have 2, but one would think that would only double the cost, not triple or quadruple it.
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:43 PM   #41
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If its $300 or less plus shipping then count me in. You only need to sell 50 units at that price if your just looking to offset the cost if each unit is $300. (Of course I'm going on the American dollar and the bike costing 15k American dollars.)
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:29 AM   #42
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If you are counting, I'd be interested in this tank as well.

I think I'll see if the tools will fit in the glove box on top. If so, that problem is solved. Besides, they would be easier to get to there anyway.

If a shallow, narrow tray could be molded into the top of the tank, just big enough to hold tire irons, that might be handy and not cut into the capacity very much.The width of a Motion Pro with the axle wrench on one end would be about right. But those could go elsewhere, like a CJ Designs Tool Box or the skid plate tool box you mentioned.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:36 PM   #43
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this has to come when I just chopped my plastic undertail and started cardboard mock up for similar tank but for superenduro. Plan was to make the cardboard one and have my buddy to tig weld one out of aluminium. Now I am thinking just about spliting yours to make room for battery and fuses. some plastic welding and or jbweld. what do you think?
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:55 PM   #44
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Why not redesign the whole subframe and incorporate it (the subframe ) into the whole tank, giving you heaps more room for fuel and less worry of clearance issues. Alot more work and engineering , i know.
Certain fuels will swell the tanks and cause the plastic's to enlarge .
This may lead to chopping out, be careful.

Excellant work btw, i hope you get what your after.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:09 PM   #45
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Will you have some way to vent between the sections, to release the air trapped by the frame-relief indentations? so the tank can filled completely?
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