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Old 01-13-2013, 06:16 PM   #1456
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I also assumed that you Jeep is a automatic, the factory derates the GCVWR to less that 6000 lbs for a standard (if you have a standard).. I also just noticed your winch, and that along with any other add ons need to be factored into your weight calculations. Also consider a front mounted winch will amplify the effects of not enough tongue weight.
Bottom line I ain't gonna do it with this vehicle as 1) I have a stick on principle, and 2) you are correct in that there is about 300 lbs of armor and the big nasty winch.

The thing that is very surprising is that with the stick that it is 2100 lbs less for GCVWR. Might I ask your source? I was always under the impression that a stick was invariably stronger than a slush box- especially in the case of towing.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:58 PM   #1457
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The thing that is very surprising is that with the stick that it is 2100 lbs less for GCVWR. Might I ask your source? I was always under the impression that a stick was invariably stronger than a slush box- especially in the case of towing.
I bought a used F150, and after I bought it, double checked the towing capacity. With an auto it's 8,000 pounds, but with a manual trans, v6 and the rear end ratio I have (really tall gearing), it's about 2,500. Oops.
Fortunately, I don't tow much any more, and I sold my 3/4 ton Dodge/Cummins and got an F150. It was still a bit surprising that I supposedly can't tow my 14' tandem axle box trailer *empty*.

I assume the clutch is the weak link in the towing capacity.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:09 PM   #1458
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Manuals used to be stronger in trucks but in my experience, any manual in a Jeep is no better
than an auto. I've had tranny problems in a newer Jeep and I've had friends with troubles and it
didn't matter if it was manual or auto.
If I remember correctly, my 09 Rubicon unlimited 6 speed had the same trailer specs as the auto.
Towing max load or close to it with a Jeep is not what I'd call a confidence inspiring event.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:55 PM   #1459
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I was always under the impression that a stick was invariably stronger than a slush box- especially in the case of towing.
An automatic trans usually have a better towing capacity due to the torque converter.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:36 PM   #1460
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Bought the same carrier. May eventually move it to the front of my tow rig.
I really like the concept of a front mount carrier EXCEPT for one little thing...how do you drive at night with one? I use a versahaul behind the truck, and it has spots to mount aux lights which I connect up to the trailer harness. But these front mount rigs look like a real problem if you get caught at night, heck even during the day your turn signals are mostly blocked... Do you just drive only during the day with a rig like this?
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:06 PM   #1461
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(really tall gearing)
This is why most newer vehicle with a manual trans have a lower tow capacity. Generally they also have a much higher gear ratio in the axles.

I was a pretty firm believer that a manual transmission is much stronger then a auto. However I have learned that it greatly depends on the vehicle.
My 99 cherokee has 247k on it now. And I have beat the living shit out of it, towing well beyond the rated capacity for thousands of miles. I'm still on the original transmission and it still shifts like new. By far the best vehicle I have ever owned.

Oh and my little camper trailer



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Old 01-14-2013, 05:03 PM   #1462
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I was a pretty firm believer that a manual transmission is much stronger then a auto. However I have learned that it greatly depends on the vehicle.
My 99 cherokee has 247k on it now. And I have beat the living shit out of it, towing well beyond the rated capacity for thousands of miles. I'm still on the original transmission and it still shifts like new. By far the best vehicle I have ever owned.
That's because the 99 still has a Aisin-Warner AW-4. That thing is tough. You have one of the last good Jeeps.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:33 PM   #1463
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Bottom line I ain't gonna do it with this vehicle as 1) I have a stick on principle, and 2) you are correct in that there is about 300 lbs of armor and the big nasty winch.

The thing that is very surprising is that with the stick that it is 2100 lbs less for GCVWR. Might I ask your source? I was always under the impression that a stick was invariably stronger than a slush box- especially in the case of towing.
I downloaded the owners manual for a 2012 from the chrysler website.

I believe it's because the drive-line is more likely to be shock loaded. Higher rated autos is a very common phenomena in newer trucks (including my '98 dodge).
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:48 PM   #1464
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That's because the 99 still has a Aisin-Warner AW-4. That thing is tough. You have one of the last good Jeeps.
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I had a 99 and flogged it as well. It had 287k when I sold it. No major service other than front wheel bearings.
I hope my outback treats me as well.
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:51 PM   #1465
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This is why most newer vehicle with a manual trans have a lower tow capacity. Generally they also have a much higher gear ratio in the axles.

I was a pretty firm believer that a manual transmission is much stronger then a auto. However I have learned that it greatly depends on the vehicle.
My 99 cherokee has 247k on it now. And I have beat the living shit out of it, towing well beyond the rated capacity for thousands of miles. I'm still on the original transmission and it still shifts like new. By far the best vehicle I have ever owned.

Oh and my little trailer
What kind of tent and trailer? Details please :)
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:34 PM   #1466
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Every time I see one of those rigs I think of how windy it is in some places I camp...

Would you feel safe in that in 30-40 mph gusts?
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:03 PM   #1467
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I had a 99 and flogged it as well. It had 287k when I sold it. No major service other than front wheel bearings.
I hope my outback treats me as well.
cherokee "sports" with the 4liter have the aw unit. non sports have the a500/42/44re/h
there were no aw units behind the v8s.
and the outback is a very good trans. youll need headgaskets or pistons before a tranny! jk
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:20 PM   #1468
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Every time I see one of those rigs I think of how windy it is in some places I camp...

Would you feel safe in that in 30-40 mph gusts?
Hell every time I see one I think crap I'd have to sleep on the ground after a hard night of camp fire drinking...
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:32 PM   #1469
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What kind of tent and trailer? Details please :)
It's a standard chinese roof top tent, available from several vendors. I think mine is "roof top tent" brand. The trailer is a single place aluminum snowmobile trailer that I built a custom aluminum rack for to hold surfboards and the tent. It has so far worked out very well for me.

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Every time I see one of those rigs I think of how windy it is in some places I camp...

Would you feel safe in that in 30-40 mph gusts?
Honestly I'm not sure. The tent itself is far more sturdy then any standard ground tent I have slept it. We weathered tornado conditions in it when it was on top of my pickup truck with a rack.

With the amount of weight I had down low on the trailer I don't think it would be a problem. But I can't say for sure.

And so far I have always been able to make it back up in there no matter how much
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:55 PM   #1470
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I have one on my cargo trailer, easy to get in and out of. Mine stood up to high winds and rain without a drop in it even though I left the "windows" open. Mines a Tepui Roof top tent.

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