Pucker moment

rattis · 01-20-2013, 06:55 AM

Hi i normally hanf out on the oil head site but I've got an old R 75/5 that I once upon a time converted to a single disc front brake an improvement fron the old drum.
But by todays standard they suck big time, it's a stainless disc and its not very "grippy".
there's definitely no need for ABS

Goods ideas will be implemented.
Pls PM me as per above.
Thanks
Andy

JonnyCash · 01-20-2013, 07:48 AM

Bar mounted MC and braided stainless hose made an enormous difference on my bike. When I did it I thought it would help, but it went so far beyond my expectations, I could scarcely exaggerate. I started a thread on it maybe 2 years ago. Check it out.

bpeckm · 01-20-2013, 08:45 AM

^ the above seems to be consensus from what I read......

I found that using grippy pads made a huge difference... look for HH from EBC, which I used and really liked....I had a single-disk front end with bar m/c and ss, but it improved mightily with the HH's....

Houseoffubar · 01-20-2013, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpeckm

^ the above seems to be consensus from what I read......

I found that using grippy pads made a huge difference... look for HH from EBC, which I used and really liked....I had a single-disk front end with bar m/c and ss, but it improved mightily with the HH's....

+++111
Sintered, or HH pads by EBC, or other quality manufactures can make an enormous difference. I have for decades ridden race bikes with iron rotors, and can't tell the difference between them, and stainless, when using HH pads!

mykill · 01-20-2013, 12:05 PM

All of the above plus cast iron discs from Vintage Brake will get you all you're gonna get.

Stan_R80/7 · 01-20-2013, 12:11 PM

The only EBC pad I have found for my airhead ATE swing caliper was the EBC Organic Kevlar Brake Pads FA22. Using the EBC website, I cannot figure out the EBC HH part number - or if they even make a HH pad for the ATE caliper . Is there a part number for HH scintered pads with an ATE caliper - or is replacing the caliper needed?

JonnyCash · 01-20-2013, 12:31 PM

What does HH stand for?

hardwaregrrl · 01-20-2013, 12:36 PM

Green galfer if they make them. Good stuff

mfp4073 · 01-20-2013, 12:41 PM

Any links to where the suggested brake pads can be purchased?

Stan_R80/7 · 01-20-2013, 01:10 PM

I found the cyclebrakes.com website sells and has catalogs for the Galfer and EBC brakes. Per the cyclebrakes.com website, the EBC brake pads do not have a clear cross reference to Galfer and have no FA22 pad in HH material. The Galfer catalogs shows my '78 airhead w/ATE calipers and stainless disc uses the pad # D233-1. So, I emailed cyclebrakes.com to ask if they sell the D233-1 pads in green or HH pad material.

I replaced my stock rotor with an EBC and the EBC kevlar pads. The braking was about the same as stock; no worries on locking the front tire! The ATE pivot caliper w/stainless rotor and kevlar pads are marginal. Short of swapping the forks for Brembo calipers, I am willing to try some green or HH Galfer pads and the EBC rotor. On I go with my personal 'Don Quixote' style adventure for decent ATE single caliper brakes.

Edit: upon another examination of the Galfer catalog, the D233-1 part number is for a brake line, not pads. There are no airhead 74-80 brake pads made by Galfer listed in their catalog. It looks like different forks with Brembo calipers may be needed. Maybe cyclebrakes.com will have more information.

mark1305 · 01-20-2013, 03:50 PM

I ran EBC HH Sintergrip on both my old Ducatis, for street and track (SS rotors). Great results wet or dry.
But....
Tried them on the R 80 ST when I went to a EBC Prolite front rotor with lackluster results. Switched pads immediately to Galfer Greens and basically got two finger braking with good modulation and no fade - same as on my F 650 which runs the Greens.

Like lots of folks on here and other forums, cyclebrakes.com is my go-to brake supplier. Call on the phone and talk with the owner or her assistant rather than use the website. They both know a boatload of brake info.

For the question about what the HH means - IIRC, pads are rated by initial bite then steady grip, or either grip then fade resistance. Been a long time since I looked it up. And if I recall correctly HH are the highest rating, but don't hold me to that. Also, note that as stated above HH sintered pads weren't the best in all applications.

JonnyCash · 01-21-2013, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark1305

For the question about what the HH means - IIRC, pads are rated by initial bite then steady grip, or either grip then fade resistance. Been a long time since I looked it up. And if I recall correctly HH are the highest rating, but don't hold me to that. Also, note that as stated above HH sintered pads weren't the best in all applications.

Thank you!

GapRunr · 01-21-2013, 07:04 PM

PM Sent. We stock the EBC Semi Sintered pad in a FA22.

Houseoffubar · 01-21-2013, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardwaregrrl

green galfer if they make them. Good stuff

+1

chasbmw · 01-22-2013, 01:03 AM

On my dual disc 38mm R90/6, it was the smaller sized handlebar MC that really made the differeance, playing around with discs/pads may help but won't deal with the main issue: BMW got the ratios between the handlebar MC and the slave cylinders wrong. Going from a stock 17mm MC to a 13mm Mc gave me brakes that were almost as good as the brakes on my Brembo equipped 82, brakes with a greatly increased lever travel give both control and power.

01-20-2013, 06:55 AM	#1
rattis ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Apr 2010 Location: East of the seas of Kattegat Oddometer: 480	Pucker moment Hi i normally hanf out on the oil head site but I've got an old R 75/5 that I once upon a time converted to a single disc front brake an improvement fron the old drum. But by todays standard they suck big time, it's a stainless disc and its not very "grippy". there's definitely no need for ABS Goods ideas will be implemented. Pls PM me as per above. Thanks Andy __________________ I wish I had bought a GSA a long time ago and now I drink Orange Crush as well

01-20-2013, 07:48 AM	#2
JonnyCash turd polisher Joined: Jan 2011 Location: Midcoast, Maine Oddometer: 774	Bar mounted MC and braided stainless hose made an enormous difference on my bike. When I did it I thought it would help, but it went so far beyond my expectations, I could scarcely exaggerate. I started a thread on it maybe 2 years ago. Check it out. __________________ I wouldn't bring her home to Mama, but Mama ain't home tonight.

01-20-2013, 08:45 AM	#3
bpeckm Grin! Joined: Apr 2008 Location: Road Island Oddometer: 4,430	^ the above seems to be consensus from what I read...... I found that using grippy pads made a huge difference... look for HH from EBC, which I used and really liked....I had a single-disk front end with bar m/c and ss, but it improved mightily with the HH's.... __________________ XS650 becomes a Vermont Backroader R60/6 gets caffeinated Portsmouth RI

01-20-2013, 12:05 PM	#5
mykill odd Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Los Angeles Oddometer: 1,092	All of the above plus cast iron discs from Vintage Brake will get you all you're gonna get. __________________ Never underestimate the laxative properties of motorcycling.

01-20-2013, 12:31 PM	#7
JonnyCash turd polisher Joined: Jan 2011 Location: Midcoast, Maine Oddometer: 774	What does HH stand for? __________________ I wouldn't bring her home to Mama, but Mama ain't home tonight.

01-20-2013, 12:11 PM	#6
Stan_R80/7 Beastly Gnarly Joined: May 2012 Location: VA Oddometer: 291	The only EBC pad I have found for my airhead ATE swing caliper was the EBC Organic Kevlar Brake Pads FA22. Using the EBC website, I cannot figure out the EBC HH part number - or if they even make a HH pad for the ATE caliper . Is there a part number for HH scintered pads with an ATE caliper - or is replacing the caliper needed?

01-20-2013, 12:36 PM	#8
hardwaregrrl Shit for brains Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta Oddometer: 4,883	Green galfer if they make them. Good stuff __________________ Trans Lab RR-broke down in Ontario-2 stroke fun for 200 bucks- TCAT R100 GS racks For Sale My life aboard an R80ST

01-20-2013, 01:10 PM	#10
Stan_R80/7 Beastly Gnarly Joined: May 2012 Location: VA Oddometer: 291	I found the cyclebrakes.com website sells and has catalogs for the Galfer and EBC brakes. Per the cyclebrakes.com website, the EBC brake pads do not have a clear cross reference to Galfer and have no FA22 pad in HH material. The Galfer catalogs shows my '78 airhead w/ATE calipers and stainless disc uses the pad # D233-1. So, I emailed cyclebrakes.com to ask if they sell the D233-1 pads in green or HH pad material. I replaced my stock rotor with an EBC and the EBC kevlar pads. The braking was about the same as stock; no worries on locking the front tire! The ATE pivot caliper w/stainless rotor and kevlar pads are marginal. Short of swapping the forks for Brembo calipers, I am willing to try some green or HH Galfer pads and the EBC rotor. On I go with my personal 'Don Quixote' style adventure for decent ATE single caliper brakes. Edit: upon another examination of the Galfer catalog, the D233-1 part number is for a brake line, not pads. There are no airhead 74-80 brake pads made by Galfer listed in their catalog. It looks like different forks with Brembo calipers may be needed. Maybe cyclebrakes.com will have more information. Stan_R80/7 screwed with this post 01-20-2013 at 06:35 PM Reason: added text

01-20-2013, 03:50 PM	#11
mark1305 Old Enough To Know Better Joined: Feb 2005 Location: Merritt Island, FL Oddometer: 5,518	I ran EBC HH Sintergrip on both my old Ducatis, for street and track (SS rotors). Great results wet or dry. But.... Tried them on the R 80 ST when I went to a EBC Prolite front rotor with lackluster results. Switched pads immediately to Galfer Greens and basically got two finger braking with good modulation and no fade - same as on my F 650 which runs the Greens. Like lots of folks on here and other forums, cyclebrakes.com is my go-to brake supplier. Call on the phone and talk with the owner or her assistant rather than use the website. They both know a boatload of brake info. For the question about what the HH means - IIRC, pads are rated by initial bite then steady grip, or either grip then fade resistance. Been a long time since I looked it up. And if I recall correctly HH are the highest rating, but don't hold me to that. Also, note that as stated above HH sintered pads weren't the best in all applications. __________________ Mark J Merritt Island, FL When a person asks you for advice, they don't want advice. They want corroboration.

01-21-2013, 07:04 PM	#13
GapRunr Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2005 Location: East TN / Smokies Oddometer: 384	PM Sent. We stock the EBC Semi Sintered pad in a FA22. __________________ GapRunr Dual Sport Touring 07 R1200GSA - 81 R80g/s - 88 Hawk GT - 06 TW200 SuperDuper Tenere

01-22-2013, 01:03 AM	#15
chasbmw Beastly Adventurer Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Bath Uk Oddometer: 1,010	On my dual disc 38mm R90/6, it was the smaller sized handlebar MC that really made the differeance, playing around with discs/pads may help but won't deal with the main issue: BMW got the ratios between the handlebar MC and the slave cylinders wrong. Going from a stock 17mm MC to a 13mm Mc gave me brakes that were almost as good as the brakes on my Brembo equipped 82, brakes with a greatly increased lever travel give both control and power. __________________ Charles http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ps6e61ae2e.jpg R90s 1070 replica, R90/6 1971 Commando Fastback

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