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Old 01-22-2013, 12:26 AM   #73096
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Red and black have always been a killer combination. Love it. Those red accents really set off things ... and hide a lot of homeliness!


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Old 01-22-2013, 12:56 AM   #73097
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Question Battery

I dont want to start a flame war or anything.

but my stock battery in the DR finally gave out.

im the second owner of the bike.

it was wrecked and i have bin taping it back together.

after being crashed having some covers smashed

forks bent

tank crushed

tail of the frame slightly bent.

the bike STILL rides awesome.

i used to ride a ex250.

dont ask me what year becuase i had parts from god knows how many different bikes.

after being crushed on my buddy's ktm950 i realized

i really REALLY "REALLY" !!!

wanted my own dual sport.

though i need to get the hang of dirt riding.

my skills for a lack of a better term. SUCK in dirt.


anyway

back to the problem at hand. i have bin thinking about getting a antigravity battery. i read they are good. last long strong crank. but i haven't got any good answers on wether they can deal with the heat the dr650 puts out.
this is my eco bike if it aint broke i dont fix it. i dont plan on farkeling up the bike. i love its simplicity and its get on and go ability. so no extra lights. at most i will just go to a dual headlight. since i hate the stock headlight output with a passion. its one of the reasons i dont like to ride at night. planning to just drop in a new bulb and see if its an improvement..

dang i keep getting off track.

sorry im a total noob here.

i think this is actually my first post on ADV.

i've gone on DR specific forums and thumpertalk but im hardly ever here.
since this is the axis of evil for DR650's on ADV i figured i'd post here and deal with the onslaught opinions.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:15 AM   #73098
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Hi guys I have a dr 350 and I am wanting to swap my rear shock spring, since the 650 is still being made figured I might be able to grab a used one from a 650. So can anyone tell me the specs of the 650 rear spring? mine is
11" x 2 1/4" id thanks
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:09 AM   #73099
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JE 10.5:1 piston change

just an update for you regulars -

I did finish the HC piston last Friday. Test rode local gravel roads on Saturday to break it in.

She ran a good bit hotter, hopefully it settles down a little as it breaks in but I'll probably be putting a KTM fan on the oil cooler.

first impressions: I did feel an improvement in the throttle response and believe it was a little smoother. I was neither overwhelmed nor underwhelmed by the increases in power. It's definitely snappier but I kind of expected more. For the $200-ish cost of the DIY upgrade it wasn't bad. Further testing on the trail will be needed to get a better idea of the power and heat tradeoffs. Before doing the piston change, I believe I read somewhere on the web where someone compared the change as similar to the gains felt with the pumper carb. I think I would agree with that.

I did have pinging at low RPM loads. Down where she used to tractor, she now pings. I had a half tank of regular gas and attempted to put some premium in it at the station. But the local pumps only have one handle for three grades so by the time you select and pay for 1.5gallons of premium, I bet I was lucky to get .5gallon of premium in the tank.

I will probably fiddle-fart around with the carb jetting some more to see if I'm still in the sweet spot.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:07 AM   #73100
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I don't necessarily need something super fancy, but considering how big the bike is, it would be nice for it to cruise stretches of highway a bit better. From what I've gathered, they already make a more powerful engine based on the DR650 that they put in the Freewind. Just adding five or ten HP to the DR and some kind of token wind protection would be a big boon to me. As we've seen from the big bore kits, revised cams, and Suzuki's own Freewind, you can add power to this engine without adding hardly any weight or complexity to the bike. As someone who rides his bike to work whenever he gets a chance, highway travel is not an area where this bike shines. The big bore kit might be pricey to do aftermarket, but I wonder what it would actually add to the cost of the bike if it came from the factory as a 725 or 750.

FWIW, my buddy rides an 800XC, and with under 2500 miles, he's dealing with his second or third "oil weeping out of the engine head" problem, one persistent "bike gets dusty and refuses to idle" problem that the dealer can't sort out, and one "chain slapping against the swingarm" problem that he had to come up with his own fix for. That engine is sweet, and the bike is comfortable, but I wouldn't buy one.
I have both, love them both. The issues your buddy had are well known with simple fixes. After lubing my stepper motor, I've had no more idling problems and don't expect any more. Mines been as reliable as my DR. The Tiger is NOT a dirt bike though. This ride turned from bad to worse, with steep rocky descents and ascents. I got through on the Tiger OK, but would have been happier on the DR. I bought the Tiger primarily as a road bike, but one capable of continuing on when the pavement ended, not a trail bike.

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Old 01-22-2013, 10:57 AM   #73101
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I did have pinging at low RPM loads. Down where she used to tractor, she now pings.
If you can hear it, it's bad.
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I had a half tank of regular gas and attempted to put some premium in it at the station. But the local pumps only have one handle for three grades so by the time you select and pay for 1.5gallons of premium, I bet I was lucky to get .5gallon of premium in the tank.
You could pull the timing back a bit.
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I will probably fiddle-fart around with the carb jetting some more to see if I'm still in the sweet spot.
Certainly a lean mixture will contribute to the problem, but correcting that (if it's the case) won't likely solve the problem alone (since DR's have been reported to audibly ping/sustain detonation damage with a standard piston).

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Old 01-22-2013, 11:17 AM   #73102
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back to the problem at hand. i have bin thinking about getting a antigravity battery. i read they are good. last long strong crank. but i haven't got any good answers on wether they can deal with the heat the dr650 puts out. this is my eco bike if it aint broke i dont fix it. i dont plan on farkeling up the bike. i love its simplicity and its get on and go ability. so no extra lights. at most i will just go to a dual headlight. since i hate the stock headlight output with a passion. its one of the reasons i dont like to ride at night. planning to just drop in a new bulb and see if its an improvement..

i've gone on DR specific forums and thumpertalk but im hardly ever here.
since this is the axis of evil for DR650's on ADV i figured i'd post here and deal with the onslaught opinions.
1. get a regular (and cheap) lead acid battery, stay within your budget.
2. Stock tanks are available everywhere ... cheap! Get a new one. So many here take off the stock tank first thing. Check the Flea Market everyday.
3. Lots of other parts can be found here (Flea Market, Parts, search DR650)
4. The cheapest, easiest and most effective headlight solution is the DDM Tuning 35W single bulb HID kit. Plug and play, 3 times more light. $30.
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Old 01-22-2013, 12:07 PM   #73103
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.You could pull the timing back a bit.
Hmm... How would you suggest TinkerinWstuff do that?
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:07 PM   #73104
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Hmm... How would you suggest TinkerinWstuff do that?
Considering your past behavior toward me, I do hesitate to answer.

He can install an offset key, slot the pickup mounting holes & move the pickup, or install a programmable ignition.

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Old 01-22-2013, 03:31 PM   #73105
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Wicked

more light less power?
where do i sign

i have bin throwing back and fourth the idea of just getting the oem battery again.
my bike is an 02. its still the stock battery even AFTER the owner wrecked.
and it barely stopped working a week and a half ago.

thats nearly 10 years of life.

if i can get 4 years out of a battery its a blessing.

10.!!

people should write stories of these magical devices.

but i would like a direct comparison of the DDM's vs the stock headlight.

procycle has a very good comparison of there HID kit.

if its anything like that. i'll hit the take my money button as soon as i see the photo's.

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1. get a regular (and cheap) lead acid battery, stay within your budget.
2. Stock tanks are available everywhere ... cheap! Get a new one. So many here take off the stock tank first thing. Check the Flea Market everyday.
3. Lots of other parts can be found here (Flea Market, Parts, search DR650)
4. The cheapest, easiest and most effective headlight solution is the DDM Tuning 35W single bulb HID kit. Plug and play, 3 times more light. $30.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:33 PM   #73106
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where do you live?

The main drawback of the new Li batteries is apparently they die quickly and don't crank when the weather is cold.

I'm in NY and it's 20 right now, so that's not an option for me.

Otherwise I'd love to ditch that fat battery!
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:07 PM   #73107
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switched back to my OEM size wheel and stock gearing for a better perspective on the HC piston. Now the butt-dyno can see more of a difference.

Last fall I switch to a 120/80-18 rear with 46T sprocket for single track. Lucky if I have an hour on that setup so it's tough to gauge things.

On the OEM setup, I'm still not blown away but can see more of the improvement. Runs 80+mph easily and lofts the front wheel in 1st (at 5000ft elevation and with the FCR pumper carb)

Temps are stabilizing a bit but still running 20-40deg hotter on oil temperatures. 55 or so ambient temperatures today and running 60mph highway speeds, the oil coming out of the cooler into the head was running 240. Stop and go in town and it's nothing to see 265+. According to the Vapor.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:17 PM   #73108
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where do you live?

The main drawback of the new Li batteries is apparently they die quickly and don't crank when the weather is cold.

I'm in NY and it's 20 right now, so that's not an option for me.

Otherwise I'd love to ditch that fat battery!

I have a Ballistic Battery 8-cell in my FZ1 and it's a total PITA in cold weather. I have to leave it on the battery tender all the time in order to start the bike on cold mornings. Otherwise it just runs out of juice trying to get it to fire. The alternative, according to Ballistic, is to turn the key on and let it sit for 5-6 minutes. Sorry, I don't have time for that when it's 26-28 deg. outside. I want the thing fired up and heating my gear.

I'm going to move this battery to my KLX250S, which really doesn't ever get riddin in cold weather, and put a regular battery back in the FZ1. It's already 2x the size recommended for the KLX (and still 5-6 lbs lighter) so it should be fine there.

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Old 01-22-2013, 05:50 PM   #73109
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I dont want to start a flame war or anything.

but my stock battery in the DR finally gave out.

im the second owner of the bike.

it was wrecked and i have bin taping it back together.

after being crashed having some covers smashed

forks bent

tank crushed

tail of the frame slightly bent.

the bike STILL rides awesome.

i used to ride a ex250.

dont ask me what year becuase i had parts from god knows how many different bikes.

after being crushed on my buddy's ktm950 i realized

i really REALLY "REALLY" !!!

wanted my own dual sport.

though i need to get the hang of dirt riding.

my skills for a lack of a better term. SUCK in dirt.


anyway

back to the problem at hand. i have bin thinking about getting a antigravity battery. i read they are good. last long strong crank. but i haven't got any good answers on wether they can deal with the heat the dr650 puts out.
this is my eco bike if it aint broke i dont fix it. i dont plan on farkeling up the bike. i love its simplicity and its get on and go ability. so no extra lights. at most i will just go to a dual headlight. since i hate the stock headlight output with a passion. its one of the reasons i dont like to ride at night. planning to just drop in a new bulb and see if its an improvement..

dang i keep getting off track.

sorry im a total noob here.

i think this is actually my first post on ADV.

i've gone on DR specific forums and thumpertalk but im hardly ever here.
since this is the axis of evil for DR650's on ADV i figured i'd post here and deal with the onslaught opinions.
I've always had the best results w/ Yuasa batteries, not the cheapest but they are reliable and long lived. So far as the light output goes the first thing to do is add relays with a fused feed direct from the battery, the stock wiring typically drops 2 volts or so which will cut light output nearly in half and a high powered bulb would make the drop even worse. The relays are cheap if you go DIY or you can get a quality kit from http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Wi...s/h4_kits.html
I installed relays and a plus bulb in my own bike and the lighting is not bad at all now ....also FWIW the stock reflector and lens are glass and can handle the added heat of an H4 plus or high power off road bulb OK


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Old 01-22-2013, 07:28 PM   #73110
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If you can hear it, it's bad.You could pull the timing back a bit.Certainly a lean mixture will contribute to the problem, but correcting that (if it's the case) won't likely solve the problem alone (since DR's have been reported to audibly ping/sustain detonation damage with a standard piston).

Regards,

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That is interesting, I haven't heard of pinging on a stock setup. Thought I read up on this one pretty thorough before going forward but didn't see any of those. Did you see that on ADV or somewhere else?

I added some octane boost to get through this tank and it helped. The only time I got pinging was when my oil temps exceeded 270 for a moment.

I did not see anywhere else that people had to adjust timing for the HC piston. So I'm tempted to leave that as a last resort.
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