Airhead LED pr0n

[FrostyBM]

Hi guys, I originally posted a LED question here; http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...9#post20397029
Im a neewb, what can I say.
Wish I had found this thread before I started spending money, cause I seems I may have to start again with the Kisan SM6. Ive just found out that the new LED blinkers I installed with resisters also light up my tail light. Bugger

[craydds]

Originally Posted by FrostyBM

I may have to start again with the Kisan SM6.

Do it. I can recommend Kisan without reservation. I only have experience with the SM-1, but others may have knowledge of the SM-6.

[ignatz72]

SM-6 is a cinch, no-brainer, true plug and play on K-style switch bikes with a 15 pin plug.

But I'm puzzled by your brake light getting activated. Sure you didn't tap into the brake circuit by accident with the resistors?

[FrostyBM]

Nah, the brake light is me being a silly old bugger. The battery was going flat, as I found out this morning when I went to hop on and ride to work. Now its charged the brake light doesnt flash.
I'll save up for one of those SM-6's though.

[FrostyBM]

Well I have a Kisan relay, the SM6 and it goes in quite easily. Only problem is the running light function is on, ie all 4 blinkers are on, and I cant work out how to switch this option off. The instructions say "Adjusting running light intensity, push and hold cancel, then push Emergency 4 way button".
I dont have an emergency button. Any ideas?

[ignatz72]

There's a way to short the signaling pin on the Kisan to do what the flasher switch would.

I'll have to dig up the pinout diagram that Andy from Kisan sent me.

But the hazard flasher dash switch is cheap enough, you may want to consider ordering one. The shorting method works but it's a pain in the rear.

*EDIT* - here's the schematic of the SM-6. You want to short pin 15 to ground to act as a signal that would be generated by the 4-way switch:

I wrapped a wire around the 15 pin then connected the SM-6. Then I turned on the ignition and grounded the other end of the wire to a bare metal ground location (coil mounting bolt is good). Each time you touch the wire to the ground, a 4-way flasher switch signal is sent. There are three modes on the SM-6: high, low, and off.

I bought the flasher switch after doing the shorting method the first time since it was such a pain. The switch is only ~$40.
01 61 31 1 244 708 HAZARD WARNING SWITCH 0.06 1 $40.62

[FrostyBM]

Thanks Iggy thats brilliant. Yeah Andy from Kisan is trying to sell me the other relay, but I want to stay simple, not add more complexity.
So just to be sure, I do the wire to pole 15 thing and short it out required number of times, then all is sweet until I reset the unit? So really I only have to do it once?

[ignatz72]

You'll have to redo the short procedure any time the SM-6 is reset, like if your battery dies or gets removed, or if the relay is removed from the bike.

[benthic]

Originally Posted by craydds

I did not reconnect the black/white wire (power to the turn signal lamp in the instrument housing). Notice in the photo below that the green/ black and brown wire positions are switched; this is not correct. The correct connections are shown in the previous post.

interesting, so you just capped the black/white and left loose? I did the same thing with my turn signal wires with my Acewell, so I imagine that instrument cluster wire is unnecessary now.

I'm getting the fast flash with my system - Acewell + aftermarket signals + kuryakyn run/brake/turn module - and I'd like to replace all my signals with LED, so rather than buy another fancy device (the Kissans), I was thinking of replacing the stock flasher with an inexpensive electronic one like was mentioned by someone previously... Then I should be able to do whatever I want with LEDs - is this a reasonable approach in the LED guru's opinions?;)

Thanks for all your hard work figuring this stuff out guys!
Spencer

PS: the brake/turns I'm interested are these things:

[craydds]

Originally Posted by benthic

interesting, so you just capped the black/white and left loose? I did the same thing with my turn signal wires with my Acewell, so I imagine that instrument cluster wire is unnecessary now.

I'm getting the fast flash with my system - Acewell + aftermarket signals + kuryakyn run/brake/turn module - and I'd like to replace all my signals with LED, so rather than buy another fancy device (the Kissans), I was thinking of replacing the stock flasher with an inexpensive electronic one like was mentioned by someone previously... Then I should be able to do whatever I want with LEDs - is this a reasonable approach in the LED guru's opinions?;)

Thanks for all your hard work figuring this stuff out guys!
Spencer

PS: the brake/turns I'm interested are these things:

I did not connect the black/white (turn signal indicator lamp) wire; I did not need it because I have an Acewell. I addressed the turn signal indicator connections for the Acewell in bpeckm's thread, post #320 here - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...527749&page=22 .
So, yes, I just capped off the black/white wire and left it loose; it serves no purpose now.

I installed the superbright LED turn signal lamps (post #203) in all four corners and used the Kisan SM-1 (post #201) in this thread. I have NO problems with this setup, no "fast flash", etc. You are talking about using the stock flasher relay plus a kuryakyn thingy plus resistors plus... ??? Want a simple solution that WORKS? How about the Kisan signalMinder?

[benthic]

Originally Posted by craydds

I did not connect the black/white (turn signal indicator lamp) wire; I did not need it because I have an Acewell. I addressed the turn signal indicator connections for the Acewell in bpeckm's thread, post #320 here - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...527749&page=22 .
I installed the superbright LED turn signal lamps in all four corners and used the Kisan SM-1, as seen in this thread. I have NO problems with this setup, no "fast flash", etc. You are talking about using the stock flasher relay plus a kuryakyn thingy plus resistors plus... ??? Want a simple solution that WORKS? How about the Kisan signalMinder?

Ray, i don't think i was clear previously. My system does work, just fast flashes. I bought the kuryakyn module quite some time ago (long before reading this thread), and it is actually a nice unit. I was merely asking if those of you who have put so much energy into this world of LEDs thought that changing the stock flasher relay to an electronic (load independent) relay would take away my fast flash.

it looks like a simple electronic relay is less than $20, but the Kissan minders are around $100+. I would like to avoid spending more than necessary when I already get the functions I want out of the Kuryakyn ($80 already spent)...

no worries though, i think I figured it out - just need to pick up an electronic relay and try it out:)

spencer

[craydds]

Originally Posted by benthic

Ray, i don't think i was clear previously. My system does work, just fast flashes. I bought the kuryakyn module quite some time ago (long before reading this thread), and it is actually a nice unit. I was merely asking if those of you who have put so much energy into this world of LEDs thought that changing the stock flasher relay to an electronic (load independent) relay would take away my fast flash.

it looks like a simple electronic relay is less than $20, but the Kissan minders are around $100+. I would like to avoid spending more than necessary when I already get the functions I want out of the Kuryakyn ($80 already spent)...

no worries though, i think I figured it out - just need to pick up an electronic relay and try it out:)

spencer

Spencer, I think a "stock" relay will give you "fast flash" with LED's unless you use resistors inline. An electronic relay may solve this problem. My "sell" on the Kisan is that it gives you everything in one easy installation - turn signal cancellation, running lights, flashing brake lights, emergency flashers, etc., and works with the LED's. Sounds like your Kuryakyn device may be similar. Try the electronic flasher and let us know how it works.

[ignatz72]

Spencer,

I am far from a guru, since I just buy stuff and figure out how to make it work...

But on the subject of LED flasher relays, I bought one at a local Autozone that was supposedly LED ready, and it did all sorts of funny things when I plugged it into another bike. But I have also used a SuperBrightLEDs flasher unit in my car and it works as advertised.

So I would say if an off-the-shelf flasher relay is going to work, it will likely be one from a company that specializes in LED components, like SBLEDS.com.

Glad to see you and your bike healing up nicely.

[benthic]

Originally Posted by ignatz72

..But on the subject of LED flasher relays, I bought one at a local Autozone that was supposedly LED ready, and it did all sorts of funny things when I plugged it into another bike. But I have also used a SuperBrightLEDs flasher unit in my car and it works as advertised.

So I would say if an off-the-shelf flasher relay is going to work, it will likely be one from a company that specializes in LED components, like SBLEDS.com.

Glad to see you and your bike healing up nicely.

you may be right - picked up a relay from Orielly's and it made the flashers blink even faster;) Oh well, I'll order the SB one:)

thanks for the kind words:)

[FrostyBM]

Hey Iggy the sorting out the wire method worked a treat, once I got the right wire. It was the yellow/violet wire that needed shorting out. Anyway this will do for me. I couldn’t find that Hazard switch on the Kisan website anyway.
So, just to reiterate so those that come after can follow.
I have a ’92 R100GS. One of the indicator stalks had broken, in a place where it couldn’t be mended, so in keeping with my policy of replacing broken bits with more modern items, I went LED. I like LED’s as I have a Brake! rear light setup.
I bought a cheap set of generic LED indicators and made some brackets to mount them. The stock relay won’t play nice, so I initially put in a resistor on each side. This was kinda ok, it resulted in the quick flash, which I didn’t like.
From Iggy’s posts it was clear that the Kisan relay was a good idea. Once installed I found out that by default the running lights were on, which I didn’t like. The choices were to purchase a hazard switch, or short out the yellow/violet wire. Once I did this the running lights were off, I get nice slow flash, can still use the 4 way hazard lights, and the lane change flash.
So now Im a happy camper and old Molly looks a bit slimmer with the big bulky indicators gone.