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Old 01-24-2013, 09:25 AM   #1
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Question Lithium-Ion batteries

Apple lap-top computers and Boeing have had fire problems with these batteries. I am about to replace my battery in a 2011 BMW R1200 GSA and I have looked at these types of batteries. Should I rule them out and stick with the recommended batteries. Can anyone with experience here shed some light on this?
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:37 AM   #2
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SEARCH (Lithium Battery) is always your friend...

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Old 01-24-2013, 10:48 AM   #3
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My friend an aircraft mechanic was reading about the 787 batteries. They don't know what the deal is with the batteries. One was overcharged another was undercharged and I think he said one started to self destruct from the inside. Don't forget the UPS 747 carrying a bunch of lithium batteries that caught fire.

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Old 01-24-2013, 10:58 AM   #4
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Battery Fires

If it turns out that the battery fires are related to the recharging system then I worry that the BMW generator was set up to charge the recommended batteries and not Lithium-Ion. My understanding is that a new charger needs to be bought for the Lithium-Ion batteries so perhaps the specs on the charging flow to the mounted battery may need adjusting as well. I have not heard of any fires related to motorcycle batteries however but they are fairly new in this area.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:38 AM   #5
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If it turns out that the battery fires are related to the recharging system then I worry that the BMW generator was set up to charge the recommended batteries and not Lithium-Ion. My understanding is that a new charger needs to be bought for the Lithium-Ion batteries so perhaps the specs on the charging flow to the mounted battery may need adjusting as well. I have not heard of any fires related to motorcycle batteries however but they are fairly new in this area.
I don't know about the Boeing batteries but, I understand that LiFePo automotive batteries need a charging profile not provided by the BMW motorcycle electrical system. And while these LiFePo batteries are capable of outrageous current delivery, until BMW (and others like Roger) say that the BMW alternator and rectifier/regulator are compatible with LiFePo batteries, I'll stick with a quality AGM battery for my GS.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:06 PM   #6
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+1, I use these types of batteries in R/C aircraft. The chargers/balancers are very specialized.

Do a Google search for "lipo battery burns down house"
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:46 PM   #7
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I have been thinking the same thing lately with all the Boeing news. I honestly don't know if they are a good idea or not especially when they are so expensive. They do have electronics in them though to make them compatible with a normal charging system and balance the cells. Course you have to trust that the manufacturer got it right or your bike is history. Definitely wouldn't be going for the cheaper no name ebay ones. Not convinced the odesey batteries are worth the extra either. They seem a bit more reliable but not that much more.
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Plus if it does blow up or catch fire it's only near your package and the fuel tank.
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:04 PM   #9
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Not sure what an insurance company would have to say about it either.
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:18 PM   #10
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A friend of mine almost burned his house down when RC batteries that were charging caught fire in his garage. Luckily his son was visiting at the time and was in the guest room next to the garage and smelled it.
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Laugh Thank you all!

You have all confirmed my thoughts and I do believe.....The pioneers get the arrows!....I think it wise to remain with more conventional batteries until some of the questions are resolved. A toasted package is not a good thing!!
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:58 PM   #13
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I also use Li-ions in some high performance EDF aircraft and even though I have not had an issue with one I have heard of them burning down houses and even cars, I always recharge mine in an old ammo box with the lid down and latched.

That along with the problems with Li-ions on the new 787 and they've been the cause of two air freighter crashes makes me very leery to pony up all that dough and slap one in a bike that's electrical system was not designed for Lithium batteries, I also fail to see any cost/benefit.
I buy my GS batteries at Walmart simply due to the logistics of a warranty claim should it ever fail to start my bike, which is all I need the battery to do.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:23 PM   #14
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I used to build LiIon batteries for the aerospace market. I would not install any one of the current crop of commercial LiIon batteries into my bike. The charging systems we've got are designed around Lead-Acid, which are vastly more tolerant of abuse than any LiIon chemistry available. Even the relatively forgiving Iron Phosphate variants don't match up well with our charging systems. I would wait until batteries with dedicated charge control electronics positioned between the charging system and the cells are on the market.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:30 PM   #15
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I have had to pull mine back out of the GSA because it will barely crank it over in the cold. I am actually getting a full refund so no harm no foul.
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