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View Results: Injured?
Yes, transported by emergency personnel and I'll never be 100% again 37 16.09%
Yes, ended up going to the hospital after getting home, it was pretty serious, but I'm fine now 86 37.39%
Bumps, cuts, bruises, but nothing that required professional attention. 84 36.52%
Nope, never been hurt....knock on wood. 23 10.00%
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:52 PM   #136
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Just to give you some warm fuzzies about the poll results, consider that we are inherently missing key rider demographics, namely:

- Riders killed in action

- Riders who were injured enough to quit. Not many people who don't ride anymore will be browsing ADVRider, and I would bet money that injury is disproportionately represented among riders who quit. I.E., if 5/10 riders are injured, I would bet that 6+/10 ex-riders were injured.

This is poll is a textbook example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Which is why I say "warm fuzzies", because the poll already says 50% have been seriously injured. (Medical evac + Hospital visit categories)

In conclusion, combining the poll results and our newfound knowledge of Survivorship bias, we can conclude that new ADVRiders are more likely to have at least one hospital-grade accident or worse, than not.

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Old 01-18-2013, 02:12 PM   #137
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I dislocated a big toe when I ran into a ditch on "The Tail of the Dragon." I rode in, stopped and rode out and somewhere along the way dislocated my big toe. I was wearing motorcycle boots and everything. ???

I got rear-ended at a stop light about 8 years ago. Luckily, I was first in line and there was no cross traffic. I heard the passenger of the car that was coming up behind me yelling, "Stop, stop, STOPPPPP!" The driver didn't stop. I looked each way as I was taking off through the intersection. About 3/4 through, the car rode up onto my rear fender and we all came skidding to a stop. The bike didn't fall over because the car on top of the rear tire held it steady. I was holding on so tight that I pulled the rubber out of a Kuryakyn ISO grip. The bike actually had very minimal damage. I had no damage at all, except for the skid marks in my undies! Lucky! I always keep my bike in gear at stoplights and my eyes on the traffic behind me. And I always leave room for a "lane-split" just in case it looks like someone might not stop.

I can't say as much for the bunny in Dinosaur National Monument, the crow in Colorado or the king snake in Kansas. I ran 'em all over...in three consecutive days!
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:14 PM   #138
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They say the pain of old injuries fade with time,

Does anyone still wake in the middle of the night's with cold sweat's, or nightmare's, or a queasy feeling?
Yes but it was nightmares of the ex, not motorcycle injuries
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:43 PM   #139
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Yes but it was nightmares of the ex, not motorcycle injuries
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:46 PM   #140
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Just to give you some warm fuzzies about the poll results, consider that we are inherently missing key rider demographics, namely:

- Riders killed in action

- Riders who were injured enough to quit. Not many people who don't ride anymore will be browsing ADVRider, and I would bet money that injury is disproportionately represented among riders who quit. I.E., if 5/10 riders are injured, I would bet that 6+/10 ex-riders were injured.

This is poll is a textbook example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Which is why I say "warm fuzzies", because the poll already says 50% have been seriously injured. (Medical evac + Hospital visit categories)

In conclusion, combining the poll results and our newfound knowledge of Survivorship bias, we can conclude that new ADVRiders are more likely to have at least one hospital-grade accident or worse, than not.
I concur with your conclusions about the overall safety experienced by members of this forum. It shouldn't be a surprise...we're all riding iron steeds through an unforgiving environment whether we're rippin' it in the dirt or pounding slab. Consider, safety gear isn't there to "save" you as much as is it for preventing certain injuries. You can easily die in ATGATT that you spent thousands of dollars on, but even budget safety gear can prevent a list of injuries and potentially save your life everything else considered. The fundamental assumption is that the safety gear will do its job only after you've kept yourself from completely $%&#ing up...because nothing's going to save you if you do something like this:
(WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT, DEAD BODY, but I'm sure a lot of you have seen it already)
http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/462259-crotch-rocket-accident-pg13/


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Old 01-23-2013, 06:48 PM   #141
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I concur with your conclusions about the overall safety experienced by members of this forum. It shouldn't be a surprise...
I agree, it should not be a surprise, but OP is new to riding so I thought I'd make sure to spell it out for him.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:16 PM   #142
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No worries I wasn't saying that as a criticism. Some people need it spelled out for them even when the headlines are full of deaths every summer.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:40 AM   #143
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Just to give you some warm fuzzies about the poll results, consider that we are inherently missing key rider demographics, namely:

- Riders killed in action

- Riders who were injured enough to quit. Not many people who don't ride anymore will be browsing ADVRider, and I would bet money that injury is disproportionately represented among riders who quit. I.E., if 5/10 riders are injured, I would bet that 6+/10 ex-riders were injured.
Obviously, this isn't a far reaching scientific study, but I did look into fatality statistics which indicate 72 deaths per 100,000 registered motorcycles. The majority of which were young sport bike riders, riders without a helmet, and/or drunk. Even so, let's use that data and add the fatalities to our worst category making it 15.42% instead of 15.35%.

Here's a link to more info for those who want to nit-pick statistics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety

Seriously though, reading people's experiences here has given me some insight into the risks we take on while riding, and how to better avoid them. Based on everything I've seen in this thread, the risk isn't much more than most other outdoor activities....if the rider takes the proper precautions and maintains a defensive/conservative mindset.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:05 PM   #144
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My point was not dead riders, just that the poll is inherently flawed. I don't have the slightest idea of how to account for how many riders quit due to injury, or that sort of thing, so I didn't bother with numbers.

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Seriously though, reading people's experiences here has given me some insight into the risks we take on while riding, and how to better avoid them. Based on everything I've seen in this thread, the risk isn't much more than most other outdoor activities....if the rider takes the proper precautions and maintains a defensive/conservative mindset.
Ah, the lies we tell ourselves...

Dunno about you, but I don't know anybody who's paid a visit to the hospital as a result of hiking.

Ah, well, so it goes
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:13 PM   #145
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My point was not dead riders, just that the poll is inherently flawed. I don't have the slightest. idea of how to account for how many riders quit due to injury, or that sort of thing, so I didn't bother with numbers.



Ah, the lies we tell ourselves...

Dunno about you, but I don't know anybody who's paid a visit to the hospital as a result of hiking.

Ah, well, so it goes
I met a few people who snapped their Achilles rolling off rocks wrong hiking when I was rehabbing for the same thing...at least I could claim skating a halfpipe, albeit middle aged, fat man, poor style, but it still sounded better than hiking!
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:35 PM   #146
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:23 PM   #147
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Dunno about you, but I don't know anybody who's paid a visit to the hospital as a result of hiking.
http://www.kpho.com/story/19947662/p...yon-bee-attack
http://www.krdo.com/news/Hiker-kille...j/-/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1830641.html
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/brea...taken-hospital
http://www.9news.com/news/article/30...injured-hikers

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Old 01-26-2013, 08:50 PM   #148
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injuries

Only once seriously, mostly scrapes and mild burns. I was rear ended waiting at a red light. The bike shot off and hit another car. I ended bouncing off the car then she ran away. The police caught her because the car was badly damaged and did not get far,

For me it was a trip to the emergency room. A concussion and some abrasions. Of course my family was frantic. Two cars totaled but the bike was not damaged that bad, I fixed it up and was riding in less than a week.

That was over 20 years ago. One thing I am sure of is Without a helmet it would have been way worse, maybe I wouldn't be here.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:57 AM   #149
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I had my right tib and fib broken & heel crushed in '96 by a stupid bird who turned across me in traffic.

I totalled my bike (stopping the M25 for an hour while they helicoptered me to hospital) in 1998. Ended up with a haematoma (?sp) from ankle to hip but no broken blokes, which was very lucky.

I broke my right wrist falling off at Cadwell Park in 2001. Entirely my fault :(

I broke my right collarbone by braking on farm slurry in 2008.

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My point was not dead riders, just that the poll is inherently flawed.
I don't think the poll is inherently flawed unless you're looking at it from a purely scientific viewpoint.
The results naturally depend on the audience you've polled, and this audience is the one the OP cares about hearing the answers from.

Not the ones who quit.... they don't ride anymore, that's their answer and we don't really need to know more. It's the folks who ride on despite maybe having some ugly accidents in their past - those are the interesting stories.
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