ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > GSpot > GS Boxers
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-28-2013, 11:55 AM   #4456
PirateJohn
Banned
 
PirateJohn's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Location: Uvalde, TX
Oddometer: 22,219
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marki_GSA View Post
Climate change bahhhh joking.
Yes fuel injection and electronic ignition is what actually made vehicles reliable over the long term. Sure points are cheap but they screw up all the time and it won't start. FI has brought back drivability that you could never get with the same power/tune. The last GS's to have carbs had about half the power. To say electronics on a bike is of no benefit is just ridiculous.

Amen.

In the Porsche world I was recently reminded of how poor the day to day drivability was of the 1969-era Porsche 911's. Today's cars must have something like triple the horsepower and your trophy wife can drive them to go shopping. Or drive them down to the yacht club when she meets with her young boyfriend ;)


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
PirateJohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 12:10 PM   #4457
TuonoBiker
Studly Adventurer
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Location: So.Central PA
Oddometer: 728
Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateJohn View Post
Amen.

In the Porsche world I was recently reminded of how poor the day to day drivability was of the 1969-era Porsche 911's. Today's cars must have something like triple the horsepower and your trophy wife can drive them to go shopping. Or drive them down to the yacht club when she meets with her young boyfriend ;)


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
+1

While I wasn't around in the 60's I can't imagine the bikes of the 60's and 70's being reliable enough to trek thousands of miles at a time. Hey, maybe they were...I am still all for the electronic stuff on a bike....sure, my TPM might blow someday but it isn't going to let me sit. And if my uber expensive to repair ESA dies, well, it still isn't something to let me stranded.

At the end of the day, if these things are too expensive or too glitchy for you to entertain thoughts of having on a motorcycle, then don't buy them or don't stray off the super-slab highway. Reality is, you better get used to technology and just embrace the inevitability.....or slink into the cracks of old curmudgeon-ness.

__________________
'12 R1200GS Adventure
'06 Ducati 999S
'11 Harley Street Glide - gone and mostly forgotten
'07 Tuono Factory - gone but not forgotten
TuonoBiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 12:54 PM   #4458
RichBMW
Beastly Adventurer
 
RichBMW's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Location: Surrey, UK
Oddometer: 1,931
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauven View Post
Two more reviews:

http://www.bikescatalog.com/test-bmw...air-water.html

As for the first one, is it just me, or they google translated it from somewhere ?
That has to be the worst English I've ever read. I gave up after the second paragraph
__________________
2015 BMW S1000R Sport
2015 BMW R1200GSAW
RichBMW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 12:56 PM   #4459
khale
ride dirty
 
khale's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Oddometer: 556
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichBMW View Post
That has to be the worst English I've ever read. I gave up after the second paragraph
Same. It's gobbledygook
__________________
2013 BMW R1200 GSW | 1972 BMW R75/5 toaster | 2011 Husky TE310
"4 wheels move the body, 2 wheels move the soul"
khale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 12:59 PM   #4460
tagesk
Tuscan rider
 
tagesk's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Location: Tuscany, Italy
Oddometer: 3,199
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gros Buck View Post
But if you have ABS on your car, chances are that it does not work anymore at 100K miles ... .

Paul Jr
Sir,
Where were your cars designed and built?
Not by BMW in Europe, I guess. I have more miles than that on my bike, with no problems what so ever.
The bike, by the way, was designed and built by BMW in Europe..

ABS not lasting more than 100K miles - ignorant or stupid.

[TaSK]
__________________
'02 R1150GS - Adds life
My Riding in Tuscany-thread is here.
Renting out motorbikes in Toscana, Italy
Proud contributor to Wisdom and GSpot FAQ and European Ride Report Index.
IBA: 33616
tagesk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 02:04 PM   #4461
Emperor Norton
Kilroy was here
 
Emperor Norton's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Location: North of Alcatraz
Oddometer: 1,186
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gros Buck View Post
... But if you have ABS on your car, chances are that it does not work anymore at 100K miles ...
Odd, my 2000 328i had over 120,000 miles on the odometer when I sold it. ABS system never had an issue. The only real problem was the @#$@#$ window lifts which thankfully I don't have to worry about on a motorcycle, unless they use one for the RTs screen.
__________________
Pics of whatever/where ever http://joee.smugmug.com
I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.
Emperor Norton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 03:11 PM   #4462
marchyman
Cam Killer
 
marchyman's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Location: SF Bay Area
Oddometer: 7,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by TuonoBiker View Post
While I wasn't around in the 60's I can't imagine the bikes of the 60's and 70's being reliable enough to trek thousands of miles at a time.
Funny you should mention that. That's where the myth of BMW reliability started. A /2 built in the 60s could easily do 50 - 100K miles. That wasn't true of most of the british and japanese bikes of the time where they were often ready for the junk pile at 20K miles.

Today there is no real difference between BMW and any other bike built. All have strengths and weaknesses. All will take you more miles than most will put on the bike before they replace it for something new. Most replacements will be because of "I want" not "I need".

If I like the new bike after a test ride I'll probably order one. Not because I need it. My '05 only has 75K miles on the odo; it is still running strong.
marchyman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 03:26 PM   #4463
cug
--
 
Joined: May 2009
Location: Sunny California
Oddometer: 4,843
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gros Buck View Post
But if you have ABS on your car, chances are that it does not work anymore at 100K miles ... Sensor this, sensor that, bla bla bla.
Unless you can back that with real numbers from actual facts and not your gut feeling about electronics I call BS. I have owned several cars with more than 100k miles and never ever had trouble with ABS. One of the most reliable systems I have had in car. Hell, windshield wiper motors were failing more often ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gros Buck View Post
Besides fuel injection, I do not see any real benefit that electronics have brought to a 1200GS in the last decade. It brought just problems.
Again, I think that's not true. Can you point out actual electronic problems you're referring to?

I know about a lot of small and large issues here and there with BMWs and other manufacturers and pretty much all of them are actually mechanical (or chemical (comical?) in the case of the fuel strip).

So, what problems have you seen with the electronic parts of more sophisticated systems?
cug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 03:32 PM   #4464
EJ_92606
Rider
 
EJ_92606's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Oddometer: 1,779
Quote:
Originally Posted by cug View Post
Unless you can back that with real numbers from actual facts and not your gut feeling about electronics I call BS. I have owned several cars with more than 100k miles and never ever had trouble with ABS. One of the most reliable systems I have had in car. Hell, windshield wiper motors were failing more often ...



Again, I think that's not true. Can you point out actual electronic problems you're referring to?

I know about a lot of small and large issues here and there with BMWs and other manufacturers and pretty much all of them are actually mechanical (or chemical (comical?) in the case of the fuel strip).

So, what problems have you seen with the electronic parts of more sophisticated systems?
He misses his kick starter
EJ_92606 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 03:44 PM   #4465
TuonoBiker
Studly Adventurer
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Location: So.Central PA
Oddometer: 728
Quote:
Originally Posted by marchyman View Post
Funny you should mention that. That's where the myth of BMW reliability started. A /2 built in the 60s could easily do 50 - 100K miles. That wasn't true of most of the british and japanese bikes of the time where they were often ready for the junk pile at 20K miles.

Today there is no real difference between BMW and any other bike built. All have strengths and weaknesses. All will take you more miles than most will put on the bike before they replace it for something new. Most replacements will be because of "I want" not "I need".

If I like the new bike after a test ride I'll probably order one. Not because I need it. My '05 only has 75K miles on the odo; it is still running strong.
Excellent point - and I should realize that after looking over a beautiful 1961 BMW at my dealer a couple weeks ago...they did a full restore job on it and it runs like new. Even cooler is the fact the parts are still available.

I agree with the lack of differences between BMW and everyone else in this regard. The design and electronic engineering that goes into an ECU on a BMW is probably no different than my old Aprilia...might even be from the same manufacturer like Siemens or Bosch or Magnetti Marelli. The differences begin at the application level...hardware level? Very similar.

Does make you wonder if BMW has higher standards when it comes to noise, vib, harshness...especially for the enduro class machines.
__________________
'12 R1200GS Adventure
'06 Ducati 999S
'11 Harley Street Glide - gone and mostly forgotten
'07 Tuono Factory - gone but not forgotten
TuonoBiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 04:59 PM   #4466
erkmania
Still Adventuring
 
erkmania's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Location: San Diego, CA
Oddometer: 951
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinc2 View Post
Motorrad reports that their long term test Ducati has 50K KM's on the clutch with no issues. Ducati has been sourcing this clutch for the last three years from Japanese OEM FCC - this is the exact clutch that is in the new GS.

From here for more of the article in German.
Thank you.

I knew an inmate would turn my hearsay into fact.
__________________
-Sticks and stones, love.
-Insurmountable problems exist in the imaginations of the less traveled.

2011 BMW R1200GS, 2004 KTM 950, 1996 ATK 605 ESDS
erkmania is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 05:09 PM   #4467
I GS 1
I 90S I
 
I GS 1's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: SI, New Zealand
Oddometer: 623
Quote:
Originally Posted by khale View Post
First lay down, perhaps? Ouch! Hope the bike was ok!
This concept of water rather than air/oil cooling a GS seems to be really taking off
I GS 1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 05:22 PM   #4468
vtbob
wanderer
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Location: Western Vermont
Oddometer: 526
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voluhzia View Post
Why would one need ABS on their car, it already has 4 wheels


Facebook
Nova Scotia on Explorer

If you drive a car aggressively, or in challenging condition you would quickly see why ABS is a real benefit for cars and pickups. to my knowledge...I believe all new cars and pickup come with some type of abs. some are simple abs and others are quite sophisticated stability control.


the abs on my bike kept me from locking my front wheel on a tar snake...which without it would have put me down in a 6 lane intersection. I will never buy a new bike without ABS
vtbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 05:32 PM   #4469
oalvarez
Resident Raggamuffin
 
oalvarez's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Location: CA HWY 2
Oddometer: 2,447
Quote:
Originally Posted by I GS 1 View Post
This concept of water rather than air/oil cooling a GS seems to be really taking off
Looks like almost like a trans-Atlantic water crossing....nice!
__________________
2014 Ducati MTS1200S
2012 Vespa 300 Super
past: Ducatis, Aprilias, Moto Guzzis, a Husky, KTM 1290 SDR, and some BMWs as well.
oalvarez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2013, 05:34 PM   #4470
JimVonBaden
"Cool" Aid!
 
JimVonBaden's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Location: Alexandria, VA
Oddometer: 50,569
Quote:
Originally Posted by I GS 1 View Post
This concept of water rather than air/oil cooling a GS seems to be really taking off


Jim
JimVonBaden is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 02:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014