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Old 01-28-2013, 09:18 AM   #15586
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I guess my point is if you find the suspension to suck at 500 miles don't expect it to be better with time. On the contrary it will probably become more annoying. Maybe because it's about the only shortcoming (for me) of the motorcycle.
Suspension on the Roadie is really whacked. The spring is too light even for me (156 lbs), seems to be pre-compressed to not sag too much, the valving is completely off, why too harsh compression, not enough re-bound.

I have a Traxxion AK-20 in the front now and it is worlds better. The price is high, yes, but I think it might be the best front suspension I have ridding with so far. I'll get a Wilbers fully adjustable rear when I have my bike back and feel good about it again (after hitting a deer 5 weeks ago and having lots of repair work done). The front spring is now correct for my weight and the damping is pretty much spot on. Quite a difference. Oh, and I also raised the rear about 15mm.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:25 AM   #15587
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I found my roadie did loosen up a bit. It's still not where I want it to be, but is tolerable. A guy on one of the Tiger boards said he replaced the fork oil (reputed to be 10w) with thinner 5w and then adjusted the oil level to give it a soft ride, and again, he claimed, it made the forks work really well. I haven't tried it or could his claim be veriified by other posters, but it does make sense and in theory should work.
Also, there's a 7.5WT available, if you wanted to creep up on it.

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I have a Traxxion AK-20 in the front now and it is worlds better. The price is high, yes, but I think it might be the best front suspension I have ridding with so far.
I knew somebody here had the T800 cartridges, but, couldn't remember who.

The nice thing about the cartridges is that they can be swapped from bike to bike, as one moves on. It's a long-term investment.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:59 AM   #15588
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What do u guys think of a 2012 abs. Xc with 20,000 miles. With a few farkles and triumph panniers for $9000. ??
Good deal? To many miles for the price ? Worth it to just ge a new one ?
I like the price. Don't like the mileage but it has been serviced on regular basis by dealer. Let me know what u think

As mentioned, the accessories are worth maybe 25 to 50 cents on the dollar, but ONLY if you want them. If you don't, they're worth nothing. The oem pannier set is only desirable by on-road riders, they are too weak for off pavement, especially if you dump it over on them. The mounts are plastic tabs.

The mileage is not a problem, but it is a few miles. Seems like a pretty reasonable deal, and you could sell of the pannier set if you wanted something else. You could always offer $8500 and that's starting to sound like a bargain at that point. MIne was $12,900 OTD before any accessories, and I thought that was a pretty good deal.

If you have to pay sales tax that is also a consieration. A private party might be able to save you a few bucks on that.

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I just purchased a new 13 roadie last week. I have noticed the suspension seems kinda harsh. Weather has only permitted me to get about 50 miles so far. So I am wondering, will it break in and soften up some? I test rode the XC also but didn't get off road with it so I didn't really notice the difference between the two on the street. Of course I only have a very few limited miles riding both. Has anyone performed a suspension upgrade on a roadie? What are the options for the front? Or should I just plan on keeping this bike on hard packed graded roads? This is my first bike that is dirt oriented and I have very limited experience on two wheels off road. I run Elka suspension on my quads and have experience setting them up for off road but zero experience with forks or road/off road bike suspension.
I test rode both models, had been leaning toward the roadie as I was looking for a replacement for my road bike. And they are a grand less, and I liked the alloy wheels and tubless tires. I rode the roadie first, was amazed how smooth. Took the XC just to make sure it wasn't enough better to warrant the extra cost. To my surprise they were VERY similar, but the XC was definitely more plush and I liked that. After mulling it for a couple of days it was clear the XC was a better choice for me, for my riding. Looking back there should have been no question.

Anyway, bottom line is that the XC is definitely more plush, and as long as you don't ride it really hard it doesn't suffer from diving and see-sawing. And it handles corners well too. I know this doesn't help you with your roadie, but with some suspension mods I'll bet you could get it to a level of comfort you would be satisfied with.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:49 PM   #15589
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Suspension on the Roadie is really whacked. The spring is too light even for me (156 lbs), seems to be pre-compressed to not sag too much, the valving is completely off, why too harsh compression, not enough re-bound.

I have a Traxxion AK-20 in the front now and it is worlds better. The price is high, yes, but I think it might be the best front suspension I have ridding with so far. I'll get a Wilbers fully adjustable rear when I have my bike back and feel good about it again (after hitting a deer 5 weeks ago and having lots of repair work done). The front spring is now correct for my weight and the damping is pretty much spot on. Quite a difference. Oh, and I also raised the rear about 15mm.

The rebound and compression is what I really noticed when I tried it offroad.
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:00 PM   #15590
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I test rode both models, had been leaning toward the roadie as I was looking for a replacement for my road bike. And they are a grand less, and I liked the alloy wheels and tubless tires. I rode the roadie first, was amazed how smooth. Took the XC just to make sure it wasn't enough better to warrant the extra cost. To my surprise they were VERY similar, but the XC was definitely more plush and I liked that. After mulling it for a couple of days it was clear the XC was a better choice for me, for my riding. Looking back there should have been no question.

Anyway, bottom line is that the XC is definitely more plush, and as long as you don't ride it really hard it doesn't suffer from diving and see-sawing. And it handles corners well too. I know this doesn't help you with your roadie, but with some suspension mods I'll bet you could get it to a level of comfort you would be satisfied with.

Very well said browneye. Exactly the way I was thinking when I purchased, grand less, tubeless, smooth. I'm still on the fence as whether I should have ended up with the XC but like you said with some suspension mods I'll be able to sort it out. It's not terrible on pavement but off pavement it needs some work.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:57 PM   #15591
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Very well said browneye. Exactly the way I was thinking when I purchased, grand less, tubeless, smooth. I'm still on the fence as whether I should have ended up with the XC but like you said with some suspension mods I'll be able to sort it out. It's not terrible on pavement but off pavement it needs some work.
Find a good suspension shop and they'll do it nicely for you. Or spend more money and get a Traxxion/Penske or Traxxion/Wilbers or Oehlins solution.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:10 AM   #15592
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Find a good suspension shop and they'll do it nicely for you. Or spend more money and get a Traxxion/Penske or Traxxion/Wilbers or Oehlins solution.
Matris and Ohlins have both released front cartridge kits for the 800 and XC. So we now have lots of choices.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:57 AM   #15593
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What do u guys think of a 2012 abs. Xc with 20,000 miles. With a few farkles and triumph panniers for $9000. ??
Good deal? To many miles for the price ? Worth it to just ge a new one ?
I like the price. Don't like the mileage but it has been serviced on regular basis by dealer. Let me know what u think

hey sound farm if that triumph 800xc is from kansas thats my bike i posted for sale lol
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:54 AM   #15594
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Matris and Ohlins have both released front cartridge kits for the 800 and XC. So we now have lots of choices.
While we're on forks..... Anyone had their XC forks apart?
I wanted to perhaps reduce the preload (cut down any spacer in there) and/or remove some oil to make them a little softer and, hopefully, make the ride less jittery on the road. When I unscrewed one of the top caps, it didn't want to come off. When it reached the top of the thread it snapped back as if it was being held down by something inside.
Any clues anyone?
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:56 AM   #15595
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Dropped my 2011 tiger 800xc off at the dealers this morning for some experimental surgery.

Bike has 45000km on the clocks, have had it since new.

Was 200km away in the middle of nowhere this weekend when the gearbox refused to cooperate and I couldnt downshift past 4th. Eventually was able to get the full gearbox range back by half backshifting up before shifting down. Gear shifter has lost its spring.

I had the gear selector spring recall fitted 7000km ago. I'm thinking its broken or disconnected. Hopefully its not been injested by the engine.

Anyone else had this?
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:19 AM   #15596
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New MRA screen.

So today I fitted an MRA screen which was designed to fit an Explorer. http://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/Triu...html#aCOL58227

I do have an advantage in that I already have the Palmer adjustable brackets. So all I had to do was line it up and drill some holes to match.
Layed back in the lowest setting....



Front of screen lowest but the rear raised up....



I do reckon that it could be mounted without the Palmer stuff by using the OE Triumph mounts at the front of the screen and the MRA fittings from their 800 screen http://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/info-COL57407.html at the sides and drilling holes to suit.

I went with this screen for two main reasons :-
a) it's designed to fit around the headlamps and, therefore, looks better than any other screen I've seen.
b) it's wider than other screens I've seen.
Haven't had a chance to try it yet because the weather's pissing down.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:40 AM   #15597
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While we're on forks..... Anyone had their XC forks apart?
I wanted to perhaps reduce the preload (cut down any spacer in there) and/or remove some oil to make them a little softer and, hopefully, make the ride less jittery on the road. When I unscrewed one of the top caps, it didn't want to come off. When it reached the top of the thread it snapped back as if it was being held down by something inside.
Any clues anyone?
You need to pull the forks completely off the bike. Once you do that, you can collapse the fork, which will push the spring up and the cap. I'm not thinking there's any retainer. The spring may just be stuck inside the cap. Furthermore, the spacer (if there is one) will probably be at the bottom, which means dumping the oil and refilling. You'll need a fork oil tool, to set the air gap.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:47 PM   #15598
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You need to pull the forks completely off the bike. Once you do that, you can collapse the fork, which will push the spring up and the cap. I'm not thinking there's any retainer. The spring may just be stuck inside the cap. Furthermore, the spacer (if there is one) will probably be at the bottom, which means dumping the oil and refilling. You'll need a fork oil tool, to set the air gap.
I used a piece of bronze brazing rod with the correct level marked on it, and a turkey baster to add and remove fluid. Alot cheaper than that tool. This was on my Legend, and not a Tiger, so I could be missing something that is different?
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:29 AM   #15599
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You need to pull the forks completely off the bike. Once you do that, you can collapse the fork, which will push the spring up and the cap. I'm not thinking there's any retainer. The spring may just be stuck inside the cap. Furthermore, the spacer (if there is one) will probably be at the bottom, which means dumping the oil and refilling. You'll need a fork oil tool, to set the air gap.
Thanks. I've got the level tool. I was hoping that I could just take the cap off and delve inside. This is obviously going to be more involved. I did find this in my searches. http://www.triumph675.net/forum/showthread.php?t=38739
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:26 AM   #15600
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Leovince mapping for Tiger 800xc

Hi,

I'm from Istanbul and this is my first post on this forum. I hope you can help me.

I've recently bought a 2011 model Tiger 800xc. My bike came with a Leovince L Sbk exhaust on it. On the service we've checked software updates and we saw that there are 2 updates: for standard exhaust and arrow exhaust. Since leoovince is performance exhaust we've choosen update for arrow model. I don't know if the mapping of arrow matches with leovince. Should I choose the mapping for standard exhaust?

Thanks for your help.
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