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Old 01-28-2013, 11:56 AM   #4456
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That has to be the worst English I've ever read. I gave up after the second paragraph
Same. It's gobbledygook
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:59 AM   #4457
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But if you have ABS on your car, chances are that it does not work anymore at 100K miles ... .

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Where were your cars designed and built?
Not by BMW in Europe, I guess. I have more miles than that on my bike, with no problems what so ever.
The bike, by the way, was designed and built by BMW in Europe..

ABS not lasting more than 100K miles - ignorant or stupid.

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Old 01-28-2013, 01:04 PM   #4458
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... But if you have ABS on your car, chances are that it does not work anymore at 100K miles ...
Odd, my 2000 328i had over 120,000 miles on the odometer when I sold it. ABS system never had an issue. The only real problem was the @#$@#$ window lifts which thankfully I don't have to worry about on a motorcycle, unless they use one for the RTs screen.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:11 PM   #4459
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While I wasn't around in the 60's I can't imagine the bikes of the 60's and 70's being reliable enough to trek thousands of miles at a time.
Funny you should mention that. That's where the myth of BMW reliability started. A /2 built in the 60s could easily do 50 - 100K miles. That wasn't true of most of the british and japanese bikes of the time where they were often ready for the junk pile at 20K miles.

Today there is no real difference between BMW and any other bike built. All have strengths and weaknesses. All will take you more miles than most will put on the bike before they replace it for something new. Most replacements will be because of "I want" not "I need".

If I like the new bike after a test ride I'll probably order one. Not because I need it. My '05 only has 75K miles on the odo; it is still running strong.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:26 PM   #4460
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But if you have ABS on your car, chances are that it does not work anymore at 100K miles ... Sensor this, sensor that, bla bla bla.
Unless you can back that with real numbers from actual facts and not your gut feeling about electronics I call BS. I have owned several cars with more than 100k miles and never ever had trouble with ABS. One of the most reliable systems I have had in car. Hell, windshield wiper motors were failing more often ...

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Besides fuel injection, I do not see any real benefit that electronics have brought to a 1200GS in the last decade. It brought just problems.
Again, I think that's not true. Can you point out actual electronic problems you're referring to?

I know about a lot of small and large issues here and there with BMWs and other manufacturers and pretty much all of them are actually mechanical (or chemical (comical?) in the case of the fuel strip).

So, what problems have you seen with the electronic parts of more sophisticated systems?
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:32 PM   #4461
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Unless you can back that with real numbers from actual facts and not your gut feeling about electronics I call BS. I have owned several cars with more than 100k miles and never ever had trouble with ABS. One of the most reliable systems I have had in car. Hell, windshield wiper motors were failing more often ...



Again, I think that's not true. Can you point out actual electronic problems you're referring to?

I know about a lot of small and large issues here and there with BMWs and other manufacturers and pretty much all of them are actually mechanical (or chemical (comical?) in the case of the fuel strip).

So, what problems have you seen with the electronic parts of more sophisticated systems?
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:44 PM   #4462
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Funny you should mention that. That's where the myth of BMW reliability started. A /2 built in the 60s could easily do 50 - 100K miles. That wasn't true of most of the british and japanese bikes of the time where they were often ready for the junk pile at 20K miles.

Today there is no real difference between BMW and any other bike built. All have strengths and weaknesses. All will take you more miles than most will put on the bike before they replace it for something new. Most replacements will be because of "I want" not "I need".

If I like the new bike after a test ride I'll probably order one. Not because I need it. My '05 only has 75K miles on the odo; it is still running strong.
Excellent point - and I should realize that after looking over a beautiful 1961 BMW at my dealer a couple weeks ago...they did a full restore job on it and it runs like new. Even cooler is the fact the parts are still available.

I agree with the lack of differences between BMW and everyone else in this regard. The design and electronic engineering that goes into an ECU on a BMW is probably no different than my old Aprilia...might even be from the same manufacturer like Siemens or Bosch or Magnetti Marelli. The differences begin at the application level...hardware level? Very similar.

Does make you wonder if BMW has higher standards when it comes to noise, vib, harshness...especially for the enduro class machines.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:59 PM   #4463
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Motorrad reports that their long term test Ducati has 50K KM's on the clutch with no issues. Ducati has been sourcing this clutch for the last three years from Japanese OEM FCC - this is the exact clutch that is in the new GS.

From here for more of the article in German.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:09 PM   #4464
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First lay down, perhaps? Ouch! Hope the bike was ok!
This concept of water rather than air/oil cooling a GS seems to be really taking off
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:22 PM   #4465
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If you drive a car aggressively, or in challenging condition you would quickly see why ABS is a real benefit for cars and pickups. to my knowledge...I believe all new cars and pickup come with some type of abs. some are simple abs and others are quite sophisticated stability control.


the abs on my bike kept me from locking my front wheel on a tar snake...which without it would have put me down in a 6 lane intersection. I will never buy a new bike without ABS
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:32 PM   #4466
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This concept of water rather than air/oil cooling a GS seems to be really taking off
Looks like almost like a trans-Atlantic water crossing....nice!
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:34 PM   #4467
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:44 PM   #4468
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:56 PM   #4469
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If you drive a car aggressively, or in challenging condition you would quickly see why ABS is a real benefit for cars and pickups. to my knowledge ... I believe all new cars and pickup come with some type of abs. some are simple abs and others are quite sophisticated stability control. The abs on my bike kept me from locking my front wheel on a tar snake...which without it would have put me down in a 6 lane intersection. I will never buy a new bike without ABS.
Maybe ...

But try to use the same abs in Winter ... It will stabilise those who do not know how to. And you will brake in a much longer distance ... For some people, it may be ok, but personnaly, I pulled the ABS fuse years ago.

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Old 01-28-2013, 05:18 PM   #4470
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If they have double the amount of wheels that could lock up, wouldn't hey need ABS twice as much?
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