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Old 02-01-2013, 10:03 AM   #27196
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Of the 2, get the newer AL frame. Geometry is going to be better all-round. The late 80s was still the time of the first gen or two of mtn bikes and the geometries weren't 'right.'
Ok, apologies if I didn't fill you in on a usage profile. I'm really only going to use it for riding around town so urban usage - no interest in cross country or downhill at all. Geometry? I always thought that that is catered for fully via changing the saddle or handlebar positions and if necessary, buying a new stem? What about the weight angle - has anyone any URLs or figures on typical weights for Fe vs Al frames?
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:09 AM   #27197
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I've read good things about the Maxxis Ardent 2.4, but don't have any personal experience with it.
http://www.cambriabike.com/Maxxis-Ar...Tire-Black.asp
The Ardent's a good tire, it just doesn't roll as well as I'd like.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:11 AM   #27198
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And FWIW, steel is always going to be a winner in my book, especially Tange Prestige and OX Platinum.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:12 AM   #27199
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Guess I need to go ahead with my "FATBIKING IS NOT A CRIME" sticker order.
Sounds very similar to when Burton was developing the snowboard back in the day and we would get banned from mountains for being out of control snowboarders.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:37 AM   #27200
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The Ardent's a good tire, it just doesn't roll as well as I'd like.
If you want FAST and can go down to a high volume 2.2, I've been very impressed with the Panaracer Driver 29Pro. Lateral grip is excellent. I've only tried it on the rear so far (325+miles), but am loving it so much that I bought another. My review here:
http://www.mtbr.com/cat/tires-and-wh...6_1564crx.aspx

edit: Bought them from ebikestop.com for $40 and they ship quickly.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:43 AM   #27201
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don't confuse Geometry with Fit.
Geometry refers to Head Tube Angle, Fork Rake/Trail, wheelbase; things that more affect handling.
what you were describing relates to fitting the bike to you.


as for weight; if you're only going to be riding it around town, the difference in materials weight shouldn't even be a significant consideration.

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Ok, apologies if I didn't fill you in on a usage profile. I'm really only going to use it for riding around town so urban usage - no interest in cross country or downhill at all. Geometry? I always thought that that is catered for fully via changing the saddle or handlebar positions and if necessary, buying a new stem? What about the weight angle - has anyone any URLs or figures on typical weights for Fe vs Al frames?
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:16 PM   #27202
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And FWIW, steel is always going to be a winner in my book, especially Tange Prestige and OX Platinum.
I'll agree with that.

I fought off the couch monster and rode on over to the bank. Massive headwind would be an understatement. ...but the tailwind getting back was worth it!

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Old 02-01-2013, 01:17 PM   #27203
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Did an hour and a half solo in the pissing rain as it got dark. Got completely soaked, covered in road grime from passing trucks and still arrived home with a smile on my face.

Hardest part of winter riding is the first pedal stroke, after that I'm good.

Managed 500 miles for January.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:57 PM   #27204
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Managed 500 miles for January.
Ya got me beat by 7.36mi on the month. (sorta. Didn't get my Edge 500 till the 10th)

Guess I shouldn't have slacked off those few days.



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Old 02-01-2013, 02:15 PM   #27205
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If you want FAST and can go down to a high volume 2.2, I've been very impressed with the Panaracer Driver 29Pro.
Thanks for the tip! I'll check those out.

And while you guys are talking about frame materials...

Is anyone here the lucky owner of one of these rare bikes -

Rhygin


Towards the tail end of their existence they were producing frames out of Columbus Metax tubing (stainless steel).
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:39 PM   #27206
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I -ed over those Rhygins Never knew anyone that had one tho.

You wanna talk about 'little known' Grove Innovations was it. I've seen one (1) of em. It was like this one (not the same paint job thank doG!) with a steel DT that was the width of the BB shell. You wanna talk STIFF!


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Old 02-01-2013, 02:44 PM   #27207
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Thanks for the tip! I'll check those out.

And while you guys are talking about frame materials...

Is anyone here the lucky owner of one of these rare bikes -

Rhygin


Towards the tail end of their existence they were producing frames out of Columbus Metax tubing (stainless steel).
I've got a Rhygin Stainless road bike. Bought it new in '98. That Rasta is a beauty. I've never seen another Rhygin in the wild.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:51 PM   #27208
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Ya got me beat by 7.36mi on the month. (sorta. Didn't get my Edge 500 till the 10th)

Guess I shouldn't have slacked off those few days.



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I'd imagine that you did more than 7 miles in ten days, so you got me beat, easily.

I'm thinking that a 10 000 km year is a good possibility for me. It'd be nice if it stopped raining sometime this year.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:54 PM   #27209
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I -ed over those Rhygins Never knew anyone that had one tho.

You wanna talk about 'little known' Grove Innovations was it. I've seen one (1) of em. It was like this one (not the same paint job thank doG!) with a steel DT that was the width of the BB shell. You wanna talk STIFF!


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I remember Grove! Mostly for that bar/stem combo. Never saw one in the flesh but those down tubes remind of the these -



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I've got a Rhygin Stainless road bike. Bought it new in '98. That Rasta is a beauty. I've never seen another Rhygin in the wild.
You bastid! Rhygins were/are on my bucket list of bikes to own (along with the original WTB Phoenix, an original Yo Eddy with the "Big 1 inch" fork, and a Sycip with those mitered stays). At the time those bikes were available, I was too damn poor to buy one.
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:01 PM   #27210
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When I worked for a framebuilder in PA we saw Grove frames and that Hammerhead bar/steam. Oversized, thinwall chrom-mo frames sound great. But really, they weren't as thin-walled as you'd think and they were plenty heavy. They were unique with that multi-shaped tube, though. There wasn't much in the way of shaped chro-mo back then. We weighed one for a customer and then I picked a Raleigh Peak (bonded aluminum) with XT (this was before XTR IIRC) on it and weighed it. And watched his face fall.

They were stiff and for those short, wicked steep climbs out east they were well suited. That yuppie-flage paint, not so much.
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