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Old 02-01-2013, 05:20 PM   #76
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More selecton of bikes now. Ha Ha. One big happy family.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...arna-for-sale/
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:29 PM   #77
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More selecton of bikes now. Ha Ha. One big happy family.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...arna-for-sale/
"BMW is saying expensive dirt bike market is basically dead,"

nice way of say we got our asses handed to us by KTM. BMW is getting out of dirt.
BMW released funky bikes into that market and people did not bite.
KTM is doing just fine in the expensive dirt bike market

BMW thinks it's future is in urban mobility scooters but Kymco and Japan Inc are gonna eat BMW in price and offer the same scoot.

the more i read this deal the more i think it's KTM the got the better deal.
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:59 PM   #78
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BMW thinks it's future is in urban mobility scooters but Kymco and Japan Inc are gonna eat BMW in price and offer the same scoot.
Maybe they will use the money to buy Kymco then.
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:02 PM   #79
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I could be full of shit

But here's my take. Japanese bike companies have been like the big U.S. car companies in the 90s. They made their money selling big, expensive SUVs and were fat, rich, happy and content to dominate that market. Then the SUV market crashed.

Japanese bike companies were making money and playing it safe while smaller companies tapped into the adventure market to fill a relatively small niche.

Now the Japanese companies are seeing growth in the adventure bikes while other segments they dominated are flat or in decline. They can either try to rekindle those markets or shift their RD to something that's growing.

I'm not in the biz, so I have no idea what will happen. But it wouldn't surprise me if they started turning out more ADV bikes or bikes trying to look like them.

If this board is any indication, dirt bikers don't stay dirt bikers for ever, and the tank-humpin' sport bike riders don't grow old in that position. They're either going to stop riding or move into other markets like ADV bikes.

That may be a big generalization, but there's some truth to it.
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:05 PM   #80
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Yes on the scooter market. It might suprize BMW on how tough it is to sell against the dudes that all ready have thier foot in the door. I woundering if BMW is after the Adventure Class bikes only, and why would they have bought Husky in the first place. I'm woundering if the motor in the Husky 650cc and 310cc are from Rotax ???

Something must of spared the sale.

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Old 02-01-2013, 06:33 PM   #81
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I'm not in the biz, so I have no idea what will happen. But it wouldn't surprise me if they started turning out more ADV bikes or bikes trying to look like them.

If this board is any indication, dirt bikers don't stay dirt bikers for ever, and the tank-humpin' sport bike riders don't grow old in that position. They're either going to stop riding or move into other markets like ADV bikes.

That may be a big generalization, but there's some truth to it.
I don't disagree in general. You could also add to the mix that in the easy money, good times people would just buy 2 or three specialist bikes.

Then came the not so good times. Now more people are looking at 1 bike to suit, and maybe a bike to save some money on gas (petrol) rather than driving a large truck to work every day. People are generally more careful on average.

If you were a 1 bike owner in the naughties, your choice was pretty much, Cruiser, RRRace, Tourer, MX and apart from cruisers all of them seemed to be designed to win races not be day to day friendly.

Images of 2 bikes on the back of an SUV towing a cruiser comes to mind

I mean is that a sign that not many bikes were practical as day to day transport or what?
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:12 PM   #82
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That is a good point GrahamD. This does make me wounder what happend to the practical days. I'm guessing the world run on spent money, and buy high and sell low has been the norm for some people. I thought about the one bike thing my self, but it just won't work for yet, "and I mean yet." The day will come that one bike will do my day to day, so I will have to age before it happens.

My idea of practical is keeping both of my bikes, because they fun !!! Age will tell me what to do when I turn 92. Ha Ha

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Old 02-01-2013, 08:59 PM   #83
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My idea of practical is keeping both of my bikes, because they fun !!! Age will tell me what to do when I turn 92. Ha Ha

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I think the manufacturers have just spent years doing things "easy" and selling lots of specialist bikes. Making a General Purpose bike fun all over is a lot harder. It's easier and more profitable just selling you five bikes for different things.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:07 PM   #84
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One thing I've noticed

Is that ADV bikes are kind of accepted by most quarters. Maybe they're just being polite but I've had sport bike riders, dirt bikers, cruisers and Harley guys say "that's a pretty cool bike."

Guess we're a bit off topic, but overall I would say we have some pretty good choices.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:37 PM   #85
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Is that ADV bikes are kind of accepted by most quarters. Maybe they're just being polite but I've had sport bike riders, dirt bikers, cruisers and Harley guys say "that's a pretty cool bike."

Guess we're a bit off topic, but overall I would say we have some pretty good choices.
To clarify from an earlier post, the KLR is the number one selling dual sport for the last six years, not the best selling motorcycle. My argument on U.S. being the largest economy for selling, I think I stated one of the largest. That was not to suggest that the U.S. makes up for the majority of bike sales. In fact I would think Indochina accounts for the majority, since small cc bikes are a staple for transport. If you look at all the middle weight "dual sport" do-it-all bikes, the selection stateside is limited comparatively. This would include other segments of consumer goods i.e. midsize pickups like the Toyota Hilux with a small diesel getting 32-36mpg. Nothing here comes close. Same as the Ford World version Ranger diesel with similar specs. Instead we are stuck buying vehicles or bikes that are a compromise. I would sell my Avalanche for a small diesel pickup that gets mid 30's tomorrow but not made available stateside. I get that there are some standards to meet, but some of this is ridiculous. Sell us what we are looking for and the market will improve. I believe my thinking/logic is pretty common place.
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Old 02-02-2013, 02:12 PM   #86
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... This would include other segments of consumer goods i.e. midsize pickups like the Toyota Hilux with a small diesel getting 32-36mpg. Nothing here comes close. Same as the Ford World version Ranger diesel with similar specs. Instead we are stuck buying vehicles or bikes that are a compromise. I would sell my Avalanche for a small diesel pickup that gets mid 30's tomorrow but not made available stateside. I get that there are some standards to meet, but some of this is ridiculous. Sell us what we are looking for and the market will improve. I believe my thinking/logic is pretty common place.

It's all about supply and demand. Manufacturers think the same way whether it be motorcycles or cars/trucks/suvs. The vast majority of people here in the states, don't want diesel engine midsize trucks or SUVs. I would love to have a diesel engine Hilux or a bare bones Land Cruiser, but most people buying these vehicles don't. They want leather, navigation, chrome, etc...
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:08 PM   #87
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Laugh

Just be happy that you are not a whopping 5'4" tall like me. Options are even more limited when you are vertically challenged.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:02 AM   #88
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I'm not in the industry but have been riding and observing for many decades. Honestly, I think the diversity and size of the US market (it is big, if not as big as India/Thailand/China) results in a different mix of models sold here. For every KLE or TransAlp not sold here, there are a lot of small dirt-only bikes and quads and side-by-sides that are imported and supported, that probably aren't available in many other parts of the world. I live in an area with a lot of bikes and riders - KTM to to MV Agusta to Harley, and except for a few locations that attract big ADVs and sport bikes, I still see mostly cruisers and mostly Harleys, and the Japanese dealership floors are full of dirt bikes and ATVs. Over on the TR650 thread, people are questioning why the new Husky ownership would drop this "popular" bike. I live in a town with a Husky dealership and see 610's and 630's on the streets several times a week, but have yet to see a TR650 on the road, only in front of the dealer and at the bike show.

We (the type of rider on this forum) all wanted CB400F's and RZ350's and TDM's and TransAlps and Seca 650's, but we didn't buy enough of them. Let's enjoy what we do have and the fact that at least the Euro manufacturers do seem to import most of their range.

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Old 02-12-2013, 10:40 AM   #89
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We dont get these either. (The OZ F150)



These get decked out with toolboxes, ladder racks, you name it.



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Old 02-12-2013, 10:50 AM   #90
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Yep, I would love to see Toyota bring in the Series 70 to States, but its predicated on sales . . . .oh to dream

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