ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > Orange Crush
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 02-04-2013, 12:39 AM   #1
skidxr OP
Excuses
 
skidxr's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: Durango, Colorado
Oddometer: 380
Carry an extra battery?

So my 990 left me stranded... Again ! Due to a dead battery. I'm considering carrying an extra battery now when I head out solo into not so traveled areas. I'm wondering if I could get by with a small Ballistic 4 cell to act as a jump start battery, just because it's so small is my reason for that choice. Has anyone done this?
__________________
...

skidxr screwed with this post 02-04-2013 at 01:22 AM
skidxr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 01:34 AM   #2
Vicks
I love sand !!!
 
Vicks's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
Oddometer: 3,012
Quote:
Originally Posted by skidxr View Post
So my 990 left me stranded... Again ! Due to a dead battery. I'm considering carrying an extra battery now when I head out solo into not so traveled areas. I'm wondering if I could get by with a small Ballistic 4 cell to act as a jump start battery, just because it's so small is my reason for that choice. Has anyone done this?
The small battery (you haven't mentioned its Ah and CCA capacity) won't be able to start the LC8 engine on its own so you will have to parallel it with the stock battery. With the stock one being weakened due to repeated starting attempts, it will damage your other smaller battery very quickly. I had a 6Ah battery in parallel to my stock Yuasa and it (the small one) got killed pretty quick say, within 1-2months.

I run a dual battery setup (having a non-ABS S version helps) using two 10Ah batteries in parallel, no isolator. Proved its worth when a riding buddy had his battery die on a ride and i loaned him my 2nd battery for the rest of the ride. So yes, i'd say you will have to carry atleast a 9-10Ah battery for jump starting in the worst case that your stocker is dead. If you have a 950 then an 8Ah battery will be fine IMO as it has lesser current draw (no FI pump, injectors, sensors etc). Edit - just sawq you have a 990.So you need the larger Ah capacity.
__________________
GO !!! Berglund brothers
GO !!! CS Santosh
Vicks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 03:15 AM   #3
Balsta
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Chilly Northern Europe
Oddometer: 400
Quote:
Originally Posted by skidxr View Post
So my 990 left me stranded... Again ! Due to a dead battery. I'm considering carrying an extra battery now when I head out solo into not so traveled areas. I'm wondering if I could get by with a small Ballistic 4 cell to act as a jump start battery, just because it's so small is my reason for that choice. Has anyone done this?
I carry an extra Shorai with me and I charge both the Shorai in the bike and the spare one on regular basis with Shorai's special charger. The extra battery is less than one kg (about 2 pounds) and the charger weight is about nothing. This is a safe setup in my mind. I know some may disagree.
__________________
950 SE -06 with 2009 SDR 130 hp motor (but carbed...120 hp?)
Balsta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 08:43 AM   #4
Johnf3
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Location: West Texas
Oddometer: 1,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by skidxr View Post
So my 990 left me stranded... Again ! Due to a dead battery. I'm considering carrying an extra battery now when I head out solo into not so traveled areas. I'm wondering if I could get by with a small Ballistic 4 cell to act as a jump start battery, just because it's so small is my reason for that choice. Has anyone done this?
Any of the LiPo 8 cell batteries will start an LC8. I used a 8 cell TurnTech for two years as my primary battery in my 950 until I upgraded to an Earth X 18 cell.

An 8 cell carried as a back up would be less than 2 pounds.
__________________
'06 950 Adventure S
'10 Husaberg FX 450
'01 KTM 520exc
Johnf3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 08:59 AM   #5
sailah
Lampin' it
 
sailah's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: Turning expensive metal into scrap
Oddometer: 5,462
what about using a RC battery like a Turnigy? They are much cheaper, you can easily make up some jumper cables to jump the bike or your buddies bike.

Something like this? I have no idea if it would work but these RC batteries put out an astonishing amount of power. I don't think the amp hour really matters since the starting cycle is so short.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...Lipo_Pack.html
__________________
We're not out here to rough it. We're here to smooth it . Things are rough enough in town.

Nessmuk
sailah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 09:20 AM   #6
zeegman
Gnarly Adventurer
 
zeegman's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Location: San Jose, Ca
Oddometer: 356
Why is battery dying

Quote:
Originally Posted by skidxr View Post
So my 990 left me stranded... Again ! Due to a dead battery. I'm considering carrying an extra battery now when I head out solo into not so traveled areas. I'm wondering if I could get by with a small Ballistic 4 cell to act as a jump start battery, just because it's so small is my reason for that choice. Has anyone done this?
Just as important question is:

why is your battery dying?

When the bike is running low RPMs and you are in slow technical terrain the rad fan will be running most of the time. This puts a lot more load on the charging/battery system when the lights are on as well. Some riders install a light switch (or you can pull the light fuse) to turn off the lights when in this situation to save the battery. Maybe try that when you are out next time.

MZ
zeegman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 09:30 AM   #7
Vicks
I love sand !!!
 
Vicks's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
Oddometer: 3,012
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailah View Post
what about using a RC battery like a Turnigy? They are much cheaper, you can easily make up some jumper cables to jump the bike or your buddies bike.

Something like this? I have no idea if it would work but these RC batteries put out an astonishing amount of power. I don't think the amp hour really matters since the starting cycle is so short.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...Lipo_Pack.html
RC batteries lack the CCA to reliably turn a bike engine over repeatedly.

This thread is quite informative on different battery technologies and their pros-cons.
__________________
GO !!! Berglund brothers
GO !!! CS Santosh
Vicks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 09:48 AM   #8
skidxr OP
Excuses
 
skidxr's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: Durango, Colorado
Oddometer: 380
I have a fairly new battery but the cold just kills it. I left it outside last night as an experiment.. It was on a charger all night the night before and then sat all day and night and it's dead right now. It's a big worry laying in the tent at night and wondering if it will start. I have taken the battery out and stuffed it in the bottom of my sleeping bag for the night and had success, but that is a pain in the ass.

I'm blaming some of this on the cheap Bikemaster battery I installed. I just don't think it's as powerful as the Yuasa I replaced. I'm going to install a stock Yuasa and try an 8 cell as a backup and see what happens.
__________________
...
skidxr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:06 AM   #9
Pops of the desert
Adventurer
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Location: Washoe Valley Nevada
Oddometer: 82
cold weather

You either have a bad battery or a leak. Somthing drawing juice when in the off position. That battery should start the bike after a couple weeks of below zero temps. Check accesories and see what is powered when the key is off. I.e. GPS, phone charger, grip heaters, etc. My 990 will start at -9 F, did it last week after sitting for a month.
Pops of the desert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:45 AM   #10
sonoran
null device
 
sonoran's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Location: Valle del Sol
Oddometer: 22,951
I've been thinking this thru after suffering a dead battery in the middle of nowhere too. Luckily I was able to get a jump for my bike.

First step was to get the Euro headlight switch so to save juice when offroad. Second is to pick up a LiFePo battery.. the smaller Shorai's seem compact and light enough solution.
sonoran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:49 AM   #11
FakeName
Wile E Coyote SuperGenius
 
FakeName's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 1,743
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonoran View Post
I've been thinking this thru after suffering a dead battery in the middle of nowhere too. Luckily I was able to get a jump for my bike.

First step was to get the Euro headlight switch so to save juice when offroad. Second is to pick up a LiFePo battery.. the smaller Shorai's seem compact and light enough solution.

But they do not like cold weather....
__________________
ADVdiscount Motorcycle Product Photography


2011 White 990 Adv S
2014 500EXC Black
FakeName is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:54 AM   #12
_cy_
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Oddometer: 5,800
Quote:
Originally Posted by skidxr View Post
So my 990 left me stranded... Again ! Due to a dead battery. I'm considering carrying an extra battery now when I head out solo into not so traveled areas. I'm wondering if I could get by with a small Ballistic 4 cell to act as a jump start battery, just because it's so small is my reason for that choice. Has anyone done this?
Quote:
Originally Posted by skidxr View Post
I have a fairly new battery but the cold just kills it. I left it outside last night as an experiment.. It was on a charger all night the night before and then sat all day and night and it's dead right now. It's a big worry laying in the tent at night and wondering if it will start. I have taken the battery out and stuffed it in the bottom of my sleeping bag for the night and had success, but that is a pain in the ass.

I'm blaming some of this on the cheap Bikemaster battery I installed. I just don't think it's as powerful as the Yuasa I replaced. I'm going to install a stock Yuasa and try an 8 cell as a backup and see what happens.
sounds like you've isolated problem to a battery not holding charge.

recommendations is replace with a quality AGM like Odyssey. if saving weight over $$$ makes more sense, then go with Earth-X ETX36 or Shorai LFX36 for adventure duties.

currently those are the only two batteries I can recommend for an adventure bike that will be far from home, especially doing cold campouts.

to make sure there's no parasitic drain and your charging system is working properly.

you will need a known to be correct meter. a $3 harbor freight meter will do just fine, once it's been checked against a reliable meter like Fluke 87V.

take any primary lithium battery to a store that sells Fluke meters (HVAC) then measure cell with both meters.

1. after charging your lead acid battery overnight with preferably a conventional charger. some battery tender charge so slow it could take days.

2. after allowing battery to rest overnight to bleed off surface charge. lead acid battery should read about 12.85V for flooded PB, 13v for AGM if holding full charge.

3. a basic charging system check is to measure voltage at battery, while revving engine to medium rpm. 13.8v to 14.2v is the normal range. note intermittent charge issue are the worst.

4. to check for parasitic drain, set your meter to measure amp in series. then hook in series with disconnected ground with everything off. ck with bike mfg to find out normal drain rate if any.

for more info ... visit my LiFePO4 testing thread .. link in sig

_cy_ screwed with this post 02-10-2013 at 04:57 PM
_cy_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:59 AM   #13
sonoran
null device
 
sonoran's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Location: Valle del Sol
Oddometer: 22,951
Quote:
Originally Posted by FakeName View Post
But they do not like cold weather....
I live in Arizona
sonoran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:05 PM   #14
FakeName
Wile E Coyote SuperGenius
 
FakeName's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 1,743
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonoran View Post
I live in Arizona
I've been cold in Arizona.

But for me it's cold below 55. Below 40, I'm curled in a corner, covered in blankets crying like a baby. I've heard it gets colder, and frozen water falls out of the sky in great drifts. But that's crazy talk.
__________________
ADVdiscount Motorcycle Product Photography


2011 White 990 Adv S
2014 500EXC Black
FakeName is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:09 PM   #15
skidxr OP
Excuses
 
skidxr's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: Durango, Colorado
Oddometer: 380
It's warmed up a bit.. Now it's 26 but battery is still dead.

Maybe I should move to AZ or San Diego and be done with it...
__________________
...
skidxr is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 03:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014