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Old 02-02-2013, 04:35 PM   #31
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BUT the Versys 650 I'd consider a middle weight, and it will sport tour quite well, although the OP doesn't want the upright seating position. I'd think stuff like the K1300, Ninja 1000, etc. are more from left field, since I'd definitely not consider them middleweight. Matter of fact, the only middleweight I see in the OP's list is the 600 cc sport bikes.
The Ninja 650 is simply the Versys with a more natural, slight forward lean and a version of that motor that isn't neutered. More of a sport-tourer than the Versys, really.

As for 'what makes a middleweight', really anything short of the full-boat FJR 1300, Concours 1400, Trophy 1200, R1200RT, and ST1300 are essentially middleweights any more. The old VFR800, Ducati ST2/4/3, Sprint 955/1050, and the new Ninja 1000 are quite light and nimble compared to what the manufacturers market as sport tourers, which aren't particularly sporty.
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Old 02-02-2013, 04:47 PM   #32
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I stand by the SV650 not working (N has no wind protection, S bars are too low)
Not working how? Raising the bars on the faired SV650 is not only simple, but can be done inexpensively using bars from the naked or raised clipons. Same for lowering the pegs. Severl easy ways to accomplish the change.

The SV makes a wonderful long range bike.

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Old 02-02-2013, 04:48 PM   #33
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Two others might make the list... FZ8 and the Triumph Tiger 800 (street version).

The 2013 FZ8 has an improved suspension that was about the only thing sub par on this bike... that and the old bazooka attached to the pipe... it's been changed, as well. However, it has no wind protection. The after market may provide solutions to that problem.

The Tiger 800 would be fun... with an Arrows pipe, it might be something to consider.

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Old 02-02-2013, 04:55 PM   #34
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my 2003 vfr was a great bike 41k miles very very few issues, could be loaded up and would still handle sweet. 800cc was a peach of an engine. Most sports tourers are too big nowadays, to heavy for a morning blast etc.
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Old 02-02-2013, 04:57 PM   #35
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Two others might make the list... FZ8 and the Triumph Tiger 800 (street version).

The 2013 FZ8 has an improved suspension that was about the only thing sub par on this bike... that and the old bazooka attached to the pipe... it's been changed, as well. However, it has no wind protection. The after market may provide solutions to that problem.

The Tiger 800 would be fun... with an Arrows pipe, it might be something to consider.

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A close friend has a Tiger 800 "Roadie" that I've put quite a few miles on. It's completely stock except the Triumph touring screen. Delightful bike, it's easier to ride around town than my R12GS and does pretty well on the open road and in the twisties. I'd put it pretty high on the list, but a few others might have better suspension, for less money.
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Old 02-02-2013, 05:46 PM   #36
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I think the Tiger 800 is a great bike, and it did cross my mind, but I just sat on one last weekend at a motorcycle show, and it's ergonomics are very upright as well. Ninja 650 is a good suggestion, as for the motor being "neutered" that just depends on where you like the power, in the midrange or at the top end. If you go new, you can get ABS in the Ninja here in the states, that's not an option for the Versys.
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Old 02-03-2013, 04:34 AM   #37
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Remember when you say that ergos are too upright, that there are very easy solutions for that. Often more easy than relaxing the ergos on a bike that has ergos that are too sport oriented.
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Old 02-03-2013, 07:06 AM   #38
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I thinks the thread title is misleading

FZ6 makes a great sport tourer. I had an 07 I had less than 5k invested in including the purchase price. I'd steer clear of the FZ6R (the R stands for reduced lol)


I'm on a F800ST right now and really like it other than that pesky stator I had to replace. It was designed to be a "mid-weight" sport tourer from the ground up. It's even in it's name haha.


I also did a bit of Sport Toruing on a SV650N that I had fitted a Givi windscreen to. even with the soft luggage I had on it, it was a really great bike for that purpose.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:50 AM   #39
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MV Agusta Brutale 675? Light weight, good engine, decent suspension, add some bags and a comfy seat and you'd have a pretty fun 1 up sport tourer if you ask me...
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:51 AM   #40
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For me, middle-weight is from 750 to 1000ish with a few exeptions like th Suzuki GSX(F) 1200/1250 Bandit, that i think is in middle-weight class. Light-weight from 500-750 and under 500 is fether-weight. MHO

I would like to recomend the GSX(F) Bandit 1200/1250, its a simple and very good bike, a lot of bike for the money. It has about the same riding styl like the FZ1, but i think the FZ1 is the most sporty and the Bandit the most comfy of those two.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:05 AM   #41
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I had both a vfr 800 and the vfr 1200. I really prefer the 1200 over the 800.The only real short coming i seen with the 1200 is resale value and tank range. Typical around town riding that i do i get around 130ish before i fuel up on the 1200 vs around 170ish i got with the 800. Out on the open road the gap closes with me getting around 170ish before i stop vs around 190-200 on the 800.

The 1200 is just a far better bike in all other regards. Though the seat on the 1200 sucks so did the one on the 800.


One giant plus the 1200 had over the 800 is heat. I had some real issues with heat on the 800 during our fla summers. The side mounted rads u have on the 800 seemed to let her down in extreme heat in stop and go traffic. The 1200 doesn't seemed phased by it.

Another thing is power. I might be in the minority on this but i felt the 800 was underpowered at times.

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Old 02-04-2013, 09:10 AM   #42
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There seems to be some disagreement over the chosen thread title.

In my head, the categories go as follows:

Light-Weight Sport Tourer (<520lbs wet): Ninja 1000, FZ1, SV650 etc. (also pretty much any sport bike with bags)
Middle-Weight Sport Tourer (<600lbs wet): K1300S, VFR1200, Sprint ST, etc.
Heavy-Weight Sport Tourer (>600lbs wet): Concours, ST1300, etc.

I'd consider a Goldwing, V-Strom, Ulysses, Versys, R1200RT to all be just "tourers" and not "sport tourers" because of the too-relaxed ergos.

So, I guess I should clarify that while there are a ton of good suggestions for bikes you can tour on here (like the Street Triple R I already have!), I'm looking for something a little more "refined" and with more fairing and storage and "amenities." There's also a chance I'm just trying to justify to myself that I'm craving a K1300S, even though I certainly don't need the power.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:35 AM   #43
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By the way, is a 1k+ cc bike a "middleweight"? I was thinking middleweight bikes were like 500-800 cc?
In the realm of doing any touring, yes, the bikes we're talking about are middleweights. Heavyweight sport-tourers would be things like the Honda ST1300, Kawasaki Concours 14, BMW K1300GT. Not full-boat touring bikes, but still big and heavy machines. Compared to the likes of that, yes, everything mentioned in this thread so far is a middleweight.

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Old 02-04-2013, 09:37 AM   #44
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I'd consider a Goldwing, V-Strom, Ulysses, Versys, R1200RT to all be just "tourers" and not "sport tourers" because of the too-relaxed ergos.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:12 AM   #45
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The Goldwing is also the most comfortable bike ever made. And it can handle. Check out the Yellow Wolf videos on Youtube. Too relaxed ergos would seem to be an oxymoron, unless you are talking about a supersport bike. But for that matter, sport touring also seems to be a contradiction. For sport you need handling (low bars and rearsets) for touring you need comfort (upright riding position)

As for the Ninja 300, if you don't mind ugly, the base model CB500 would seem to be a much better deal. 200cc more for about the same price, and what appears to be a more upright riding position.
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